I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Motivations for Moving Stacks to Europe

  • Strong theme of “digital sovereignty”: reduce exposure to US law (esp. CLOUD Act) and geopolitical risk (threats to EU/Greenland, trade wars, sanctions, platform lockouts).
  • EU hosting seen as boosting trust with risk‑averse European customers and regulators, especially post‑GDPR and with growing political instability in the US.
  • Some commenters report a visible shift in EU procurement: “can this run fully in EU?” has become a standard question, with many organizations now actively migrating.

Legal & Jurisdiction Issues

  • Repeated emphasis that physical server location isn’t enough: if the provider is US‑based, US law can still compel data access.
  • .com TLDs are technically global but ultimately administered by a US company, which some see as another sovereignty dependency.
  • Others argue fears are exaggerated and note EU governments also pursue expansive surveillance and data‑retention powers.

Provider Choices & Technical Trade‑offs

  • Hosting: Scaleway, Hetzner, OVH, UpCloud, Exoscale, “EU sovereign clouds,” and even supermarket‑backed clouds are discussed; OVH’s Strasbourg datacenter fire is a major cautionary tale.
  • Analytics: mixed experiences with Matomo at scale; alternatives include Umami, ClickHouse‑backed tools, self‑built log analytics, UXWizz, Vemetric.
  • Email: strong interest in Proton, Tuta, Fastmail, mailbox.org, but Proton’s missing body filters and weaker UX vs Gmail are pain points.
  • Git services: some push for Codeberg/Forgejo instead of GitHub/GitLab; others keep GitHub for ecosystem reasons.
  • CDN/WAF: Cloudflare is controversial—powerful but US‑based. Bunny and Gcore mentioned as EU‑friendlier options, though feature gaps vs Cloudflare’s WAF remain.

Self‑Hosting vs Cloud

  • Many advocate self‑hosting (Proxmox, on‑prem “cloud‑in‑a‑rack”) for serious businesses, citing control and cost.
  • Others note hardware and enterprise software prices have spiked, making public cloud comparatively attractive again.

Politics, Privacy, and Trust

  • Deep distrust of current and future US administrations; some see Trump‑era behavior as an existential risk rather than abstract privacy concern.
  • Counter‑view: Europe is also moving toward more surveillance (VPN restrictions, age verification, logging), so “EU as sanctuary” is only relative.
  • Anthropic/Claude is criticized for tight cooperation with US national security despite being perceived as “better than OpenAI.”

Meta & UX Feedback

  • Several complain the article site is Cloudflare‑fronted, JS/WebGL‑heavy, cursor/scroll hijacking, and even rate‑limited—seen as ironic given the sovereignty theme.