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Quakerism Today: Diversity and Scale

• Commenters stress that Quakerism is tiny globally (hundreds of thousands at most) and highly diverse for its size.
• A major split is between “unprogrammed” meetings (mostly silent worship) and “programmed” meetings (pastor, hymns, sermons, short silence).
• In the US, commenters claim roughly half of meetings are unprogrammed; globally, programmed/evangelical forms—especially in Africa and parts of South America—appear to dominate.
• Several participants raised Quaker, but many only ever encountered silent, liberal meetings and were surprised at the extent of evangelical-style Quakerism.

Silent Worship, Meditation, and Zen

• Multiple posters see strong parallels between Quaker silent worship and meditation, including body awareness and “centering down,” though many Quakers don’t label it “meditation.”
• Key contrast noted: Quaker worship is communal and inward-facing, oriented toward listening for the “Inner Light” or Spirit; Zen is often framed as individual mindfulness, sometimes literally facing a wall.
• Some note that contemporary American Quaker writing can be quite secular, downplaying explicit God-language.

Buddhism, “Zen,” and Cultural Appropriation

• One thread criticizes “American-style Buddhist meditation” and the article’s framing as cherry‑picking and cultural appropriation, ignoring violent or nationalist forms of Buddhism.
• Others push back, arguing the author is just describing one Zen lineage and personal experience, not defining Buddhism as a whole.
• Sub‑discussion contrasts judging philosophies by their core teachings vs by real‑world abuses and opportunistic political uses.

Quaker Values: Authority, Honesty, and Pacifism

• Commenters highlight:
  • Skepticism toward unearned authority, but not authority itself.
  • Strong traditions of honesty (e.g., refusal to swear oaths, Biblical basis cited).
  • Historic and contested pacifism: some refuse all killing, even in self‑defense; others note Quakers who fought slavery or fascism.
• This sparks an extended debate on self‑defense, edge‑case ethics (e.g., protecting a child), and whether nonlethal defense methods are realistic.

Community Health and “Branding”

• Some describe aging, shrinking liberal meetings with few young adults; others (e.g., in Berkeley) report vibrant younger cohorts.
• Several see Quakerism as under‑recognized Christian mysticism, potentially bridging to other contemplative traditions.
• “Branding problems”: people confuse Quakers with Amish or Quaker Oats; commercial uses of the name/image obscure the religious movement.

Effects of Swearing on Pain

• Some report that conventional swearing (“fuck”, etc.) genuinely helps with acute pain, consistent with the paper’s findings.
• Others say swearing makes pain feel worse or keeps them mentally “stuck” on it; they prefer neutral acknowledgments (“ow”, “that hurt”, “wow”) to move on faster.
• Commenters link to related research on pain catastrophizing vs. neutralizing and on swear words boosting strength and performance.

Alternatives: Humor, Distraction, and Novel Words

• Humorous or elaborate insults (e.g. creative metaphors at the offending object) are used as cognitive distraction, breaking focus on pain.
• The study’s result that fake words (“twizpipe”, “fouch”) don’t work is seen as evidence that emotional history and taboo status matter, not just sound.
• Some wonder if different-sounding fake swear words might work better, given that many real swear words share similar phonetic “feel”.

Evolutionary and Neurological Angles

• One thread links human swearing to primate alarm calls: a few basic vocalizations for threats may have evolved into modern expletives.
• Another suggests swear words tap older brain circuits related to sex, excretion, and strong emotion, which might explain their persistence in dementia when other language is lost.

Linguistics, Multilingual, and Fictional Swears

• Long digression into German compound swear words and whether writing-without-spaces makes them “one word” versus English compounds with spaces.
• Russian is praised as especially rich for swearing due to morphological flexibility, allowing many nuanced forms from a few roots.
• Fictional or euphemistic swears (from TV shows, old-fashioned English, or invented like “sugarplum fairies”) are enjoyed for humor, but acknowledged as weaker for genuine pain relief.

Social Norms and Parenting

• Anecdotes about kids swearing, parents managing it by context (e.g. “go downstairs and yell once”), and teaching when swearing is or isn’t appropriate.
• Debate between those who see casual swearing as harmless emotional regulation and those who view it as poor manners or bad parenting.
• Several note that overuse blunts impact; reserving strong words for rare occasions preserves their expressive and analgesic power.

What Octelium Is (per the thread)

• Described as a self-hosted, FOSS “zero trust secure access platform” rather than a simple VPN.
• Core ideas:
  • WireGuard/QUIC-based tunnels plus layer‑7, identity-aware proxies.
  • Fine‑grained, context-aware ABAC policies at the application layer (HTTP, SSH, DB, etc.).
  • Acts as ZTNA/BeyondCorp system, remote access VPN, API/AI/MCP gateway, and self‑hosted ngrok‑style tunnel.
  • Built as a distributed platform running on Kubernetes; Octelium manages identity-aware proxies somewhat like Kubernetes manages containers.

Confusion Over Scope and Messaging

• Many readers say the README and HN description are dense, repetitive, and heavy with jargon/buzzwords (“zero trust”, “secretless”, “next‑gen”, etc.).
• Multiple people report they still don’t know “what it does” after scanning the README.
• Suggestions:
  • Start with 1–2 plain sentences explaining the core problem it solves (e.g., “centralized access control to all internal services”) and defer details to docs.
  • Explain concrete use cases from simple → advanced, with minimal acronyms.
  • Define all terms and compare to concrete things like VPNs, API gateways, Pomerium, Teleport, Cloudflare Access.
• Others counter that the terminology is accurate for ZTNA; the real issue is layering and audience fit, not “marketing speak.”

Architecture vs Tailscale / Mesh VPNs

• Clarified that Octelium is not a peer‑to‑peer mesh like Tailscale/ZeroTier; it’s more akin to Cloudflare Access/Teleport/StrongDM.
• Focus is not exposing subnets or devices, but mediating access to specific resources and even sub-resources (e.g., HTTP paths) through L7 policies.
• Uses Kubernetes nodes as gateways and service hosts; services are represented by identity-aware proxies with stable IPs/hostnames.
• Some question performance/complexity vs simple WireGuard meshes; others see it as addressing a different (enterprise ZTNA) problem.

Kubernetes Dependency & Operational Model

• Requires Kubernetes (or k3s) today; Octelium treats the cluster as its substrate but stores its own resources in Postgres, not as CRDs.
• Some see Kubernetes as an overheavy dependency for “just” secure access or homelabs and would prefer a lighter deployment (e.g., single Docker container).
• Others are concerned that Octelium appears to partially “replace” conventional Kubernetes workflows, raising questions about compatibility with existing CI/CD, RBAC, and monitoring.

Security, Trust, and Solo‑Dev Concerns

• Skepticism about trusting a broad, security‑critical system from a solo developer with a short public history and “does everything” marketing.
• Concern over secrets being stored in plaintext by default; author says this is deliberate (like Kubernetes) and provides gRPC hooks for plugging in external secret backends (Vault, KMS, etc.).
• Some commenters go as far as raising “state actor/scam” vibes; others push back, arguing the code is fully open source and such accusations are unhelpful.

Feedback on Positioning and Product Strategy

• Strong advice to:
  • Emphasize problems solved (centralizing authZ/audit, replacing fragmented VPN + per‑app auth stacks) instead of listing competing products.
  • Pick a primary audience (enterprise security vs HN/homelab crowd) and tune language accordingly.
  • Provide before/after architecture diagrams and migration stories for a realistic company.
  • Consider an easier “homelab edition” and/or a SaaS offering built on the toolkit.

Overall Reception

• Mixed but engaged:
  • Enthusiastic interest from people seeking a FOSS alternative to Teleport/Cloudflare/StrongDM and from those who read the deeper docs, which some call “extremely detailed and well‑organized.”
  • Significant pushback on buzzwordy framing, breadth of scope, Kubernetes requirement, and the difficulty of understanding the value at a glance.

Workarounds and simpler approaches

• Many commenters say the problem can often be solved more simply than in the article, e.g.:
  • ssh -D <port> user@host as a quick SOCKS5 proxy, then point the browser at localhost:<port>.
  • Using a VPN provider, WARP in SOCKS mode, Tailscale/Headscale exit nodes, or SSH -R reverse tunnels.
• These are seen as fast, practical fixes, especially on public Wi‑Fi or during temporary IPv4 outages.

What the article is really doing

• Several note the setup is essentially “IPv4 over IPv6 via a VPS” (4-in-6 tunneling), not truly “Internet without IPv4”.
• This is considered neat engineering, but overkill for short-term issues.

IPv4 vs IPv6 failure modes

• ISPs report: breaking IPv4 usually gives a clear “down” state; breaking IPv6 causes weird partial failures and timeouts.
• Some people now barely notice IPv4 failures because major sites (Google, Facebook, Apple, Cloudflare-hosted) work over IPv6.
• Others highlight long-tail gaps: GitHub, Steam, many games, some CDNs, email infrastructure, POSIX bug tracker, and some VR/PC game ecosystems still require IPv4.

NAT64/DNS64, tunnels, and IPv6-only tricks

• Multiple comments describe using public DNS64+NAT64 gateways (lists at nat64.net / nat64.xyz) to reach IPv4 from IPv6-only by just changing DNS.
• Mobile networks commonly use IPv6-only cores with DNS64+NAT64 behind the scenes.
• Hurricane Electric’s free 6in4 tunnels are recommended for users whose ISPs offer only IPv4.

Operational challenges with IPv6-only setups

• Issues cited:
  • Some OSes need IPv6-capable DNS resolvers or won’t query AAAA records for VPN-only names.
  • Need to run DNS inside VPNs and cleanly restore DNS on disconnect.
  • Reliance on upstream DNS64; if it breaks, IPv4 reachability dies.
  • Datacenter/VPS IPs (used as gateways) often trigger CAPTCHAs, blocks, or streaming geo/anti‑VPN filters.

State of IPv6 adoption

• Experiences vary widely:
  • Many home and mobile ISPs in developed regions now provide IPv6 by default; some new customers get CGNAT-only IPv4.
  • Others still lack any IPv6, or allegedly disable it to avoid customer confusion from broken AAAA records.
  • Some report HE-style tunnels increasingly being treated as “VPN/abuse” by services.

Debate over necessity and design

• Some home and enterprise admins see no compelling reason to deploy IPv6: NAT works, address space is sufficient internally, and transition complexity feels high.
• Others argue:
  • IPv6 simplifies routing and removes fragile stateful NAT boxes.
  • It makes 6→4 translation easier than 4→6.
  • Apple’s “must work on IPv6-only (with NAT64)” rule and government mandates are slowly forcing ecosystem readiness.
• There is a meta‑debate over whether IPv6 is an “academic” overcomplication vs a cleaner redesign, and whether lack of incentives, training, and leadership—not technical merit—is the main blocker.

Apple’s Wallet Ad as a Trust Break Point

• The F1 movie push notification from Apple Wallet is widely seen as crossing a red line: Wallet is associated with payments, identity, tickets, and “serious” data, not marketing.
• Even if the ad was not individually targeted, many argue perception matters: users will reasonably infer that their purchases and tickets are being watched and exploited.
• Commenters note Apple’s own App Store rules ban promotional push notifications without explicit opt‑in; Wallet’s campaign appears to violate those rules, highlighting double standards.

Privacy Branding vs. Reality

• Apple’s “Privacy. That’s Apple.” messaging is contrasted with growing ad surfaces (App Store search ads, Apple Music promos, Apple TV+ pushes, Maps/Widgets “nearby” promos).
• Some argue Apple is still more privacy‑respecting than ad‑funded rivals and is structurally incentivized to champion privacy as a differentiator.
• Others say this is largely marketing: citing extensive telemetry, iMessage backups undermining end‑to‑end encryption, and the abandoned client‑side photo‑scanning proposal as evidence Apple will cross lines when convenient.

Historical Echoes: U2 Album, Mozilla, and Notification Spam

• The incident is repeatedly likened to the forced U2 album: an unwanted “gift” that polluted libraries and auto‑played in cars for years, eroding trust and control.
• Mozilla’s Mr. Robot promotion is referenced as another case where marketing spent hard‑won trust for short‑term media tie‑ins.
• More broadly, people link this to universal notification abuse: Uber, delivery apps, Google Photos, Windows, and others using “critical” or vague channels to push offers.

Apple’s Cultural Drift and Leadership Critique

• Many see this as a symptom of Apple’s shift from “build great products, profits will follow” to “everything is a revenue stream.”
• There’s extensive nostalgia for the Jobs era: stories of tasteless ideas being killed instantly, and a belief that this Wallet ad would never have shipped then.
• Tim Cook is characterized as an operations/finance leader who tolerates ads, lock‑in, and over‑monetization; some call for a product‑centric successor.

Lock‑In, Alternatives, and Enshittification

• A recurring theme: Apple may be “best of bad options,” but users feel increasingly trapped as hardware innovation slows and services/ads grow.
• Alternatives (Android, Linux, GrapheneOS, Pinephone, etc.) are debated: some prioritize freedom over polish; others describe them as too fragile, janky, or labor‑intensive.
• Several see this as classic late‑stage capitalism: once growth from devices plateaus, companies inevitably squeeze users with ads and dark patterns until trust and experience decay.

Clarifying Moore’s Law and Scaling

• Multiple comments argue the article conflates Moore’s Law (transistor count/complexity on a chip) with density and with Dennard scaling (power/performance scaling with smaller transistors).
• Some stress that Moore’s Law was always as much economic as technical, with Rock’s “second law” (fab cost doubling ~every 4 years) now a major constraint.
• Others note we’ve been hearing “Moore’s Law is over” for decades, yet transistor counts and features continue to grow, now via chiplets, stacking, and specialized units rather than clockspeed.

Software Performance vs Hardware Advances

• Wirth’s Law (“software is getting slower faster than hardware is getting faster”) is debated.
• One side cites bloat, higher resource use, and the fact that SSDs alone explain much of perceived speed gains.
• The other side points to enormous UX improvements: near-instant boot, multitasking, phones vs early PCs, and argues average real-world performance is far better.
• Some note that “snappy” old systems benefited from tight optimization under severe constraints, suggesting value in modern “Snow Leopard-style” optimization releases.

Optimization and Games

• One view: we’re not bound by Moore’s Law because we just waste compute; examples like God of War 2 on tiny hardware show what tight optimization can achieve.
• Counterpoint: AAA console games still employ dedicated optimization teams; more compute also enables richer features, not just wasted cycles.
• Examples like Doom 2016 running well on very old CPUs are praised, but there’s disagreement on whether such “forbidden magic” is common today.

Future Compute: Smartphones, Cloud, and AI

• Several expect the current pattern to persist: smartphones as primary personal devices, with heavy workloads (especially AI) pushed to datacenters.
• Others note persistent needs for larger screens/keyboards, implying continued demand for PCs and laptops, though often as “fat thin clients” (Chromebooks, etc.).
• AI is framed by some as the long-awaited “killer app” that justifies more RAM, NPUs/GPUs, and new process nodes into the 2030s; others counter that many users dislike AI features and see them as unnecessary.

Economics, Fabs, and Industry Concentration

• The rising cost of fabs and tools (ASML, EUV, etc.) is widely seen as the true limiter: fewer companies can afford leading-edge nodes, pushing joint ventures and deep supplier–foundry integration.
• Some worry about systemic risk if a major fab is lost, though others dismiss this as exaggerated.

Physical and Architectural Limits

• Discussion touches Landauer’s principle, ultimate finite-resource limits, and whether we’ll hit economic limits before physical ones.
• Techniques mentioned: more parallelism, larger caches (with economic tradeoffs), chip stacking, multi-reticle stitching, and GAA/nanosheet transistors where channels become effectively intrinsic.
• There’s mild speculation about alternative paradigms (neuromorphic, adiabatic/reversible logic, atomic-scale fabrication), but consensus that none are yet viable at scale.

Device Longevity and Obsolescence

• One thread disputes claims that modern GPUs only last 3–7 years; anecdotal evidence from mining and long-lived consumer cards contradicts this.
• Several point out that software/OS de-support (especially on proprietary platforms) often kills devices long before hardware failure; open OSes can extend life substantially.

Stated “cybersecurity” reason vs perceived motives

• Official explanation is “cybersecurity concerns,” but commenters find this vague and unconvincing.
• Suggested possibilities include: genuine but unresolved security issues; using security as a pretext to stop sharing; or outright misrepresentation.
• Another view: this is about creating a market for commercial weather services that can charge for data currently free via NOAA.

Project 2025, NOAA, and climate politics

• Many tie the move directly to Project 2025, which explicitly calls for:
  • Breaking up and downsizing NOAA.
  • “Fully commercializing” National Weather Service forecasting.
  • Framing NOAA as a driver of a “climate change alarm industry.”
• Commenters see this as an intentional effort to suppress climate evidence, weaken preparedness, and ensure scientific agencies don’t obstruct an administration’s political aims.

Impact on forecasting, safety, and research

• DOD satellite data have been used since 1979 for sea ice monitoring and for real‑time hurricane tracking (storm centers, early trajectory estimates).
• Loss of this feed is seen as directly affecting evacuation timing and disaster preparedness, with some calling deliberate withholding of publicly funded lifesaving data morally outrageous.
• NOAA’s public assurance that forecasts will remain “gold standard” is widely distrusted because of perceived political pressure and appointee backgrounds.

Program history and alternative systems

• Some point out Congress voted in 2015 to terminate the DMSP program; most satellites have failed, and successors like JPSS and Weather System Follow‑on exist.
• Others counter that the satellites are still operating and that what’s new is the decision to cut off data sharing, not just to let an old program end.
• Overall, it’s unclear from the thread whether replacement systems fully match the lost capability for all users.

Technical and geopolitical angles

• Technical discussion covers encryption, SDR reception, and the ease of optically tracking satellites, leading some to doubt “location secrecy” as a credible rationale.
• Non‑US readers worry about dependence on US data and call for ESA/JAXA/UN or other multilateral systems, arguing the US is becoming an unreliable provider of global public goods.

Real‑world UK passport & citizenship complexity

• Multiple commenters describe highly variable document demands for children born abroad: birth certificates (often for parents and grandparents), family registers, marriage certificates, translations, proof from third‑party citizens, and full photocopies of foreign passports.
• Requirements appear inconsistent across cases and even siblings; outcomes depend heavily on which examiner handles the file.
• Edge cases around “double descent,” historical sexist laws, unmarried parents, and birth year (especially around 1983 and 2006 rule changes) lead to surprising results, including people effectively becoming British only retroactively.
• Names and surnames can be fluid in the UK system, leading to mismatches across documents and previous decisions being “forgotten,” making applications unpredictable.
• Communication between call‑center staff and caseworkers is described as opaque and contradictory.

Online UK passport system vs other countries

• Several people praise the UK online renewal process as fast, clear, and well‑designed, with good accessibility and simple mobile photo capture; renewals from abroad can be completed in weeks by mail.
• First‑time or complex applications remain tedious: interviews, “responsible person” signatures, and long evidence chains.
• Other countries are contrasted:
  • Canada, Sweden, Belgium: more paper, in‑person visits, and delays.
  • France and Germany: some report smooth, single‑visit processes; others note new applications are still much harder than renewals.

Government IT, law, and outsourcing

• Building services like HM Passport Office means encoding centuries of evolving legislation; when laws change, scattered business rules must be updated across systems.
• Outsourced projects are said to incentivize long, expensive engagements with minimal quality, with weak accountability and procurement based on static specs rather than domain insight.
• Some argue for in‑house engineering and reusable, rules‑oriented or DSL‑based systems to model law, citing prior work formalising British nationality and Dutch tax rules.

Haskell, syntax, and tooling

• Haskell is described as “intuitive after explanation” but opaque at first, due to heavy use of operators and combinators whose meaning depends on context and abstract concepts (monads, applicatives).
• Defenders argue every language has non‑obvious syntax, and Haskell’s operator count is comparable to mainstream languages once you’ve learned the basics; its operators have a consistent visual “design language.”
• There is disagreement on tooling: some recall poor historical tooling; others claim modern Haskell has solid LSP support, formatters, debugging tools, and multiple backends, disputing the “bad tooling” reputation.

Bureaucracy and citizenship more broadly

• Stories from Japan (residence cards, MyNumber, driving licence conversion) highlight increasing bureaucratic “side quests” and cumbersome online booking.
• Qatar is cited as an extreme case for naturalisation difficulty.
• A comparison is drawn to countries with central citizen registries, though others argue many states can’t reliably maintain such a list due to births abroad, territorial changes, and registration rules.
• US birthright citizenship is lauded as an “optimization,” though rare exceptions (e.g., children of diplomats) complicate even that.

Whether “middle-class musicians” ever really existed

• Several argue the idea is romanticized: historically, most musicians were precarious workers or relied on patrons, with a tiny elite of stars.
• Others say there was a post-war window (clubs, session work, label advances, orchestras) where lots of competent professionals could earn solid but not star-level incomes, and that tier is shrinking.

Music as job vs hobby

• One camp says music should be treated like landscape painting or amateur sports: inherently valuable but rarely a career; most people should expect to do it for love, not income.
• Opponents counter that serious art requires time, training and space to fail; if it’s only a hobby for the well-off, culture narrows and society loses psychological and social benefits.
• Many note that amateurs can and do produce good recordings, but professionals generally set a higher bar, especially for complex genres, large ensembles, teaching, and touring.

Technology, streaming, and AI

• Commenters trace a long trend: recording → radio → internet → streaming → AI all reinforce winner‑take‑all dynamics.
• Streaming is widely seen as structurally underpaying most artists while rewarding catalogs, labels, and platforms; “long tail” dreams largely didn’t materialize.
• Some see AI and ultra-cheap production as the final step that makes mid-tier careers unviable, pushing music further toward patronage, teaching, or side‑gig status.

Live music and local economies

• Recorded music and phones have displaced many situations where live musicians were once “needed” (bars, weddings, background music).
• Pay for bar/club gigs is often flat or worse than decades ago, and many venues only book weekends, making full-time work impractical without heavy travel and side hustles.
• A few note countertrends: more weeknight gigs post‑COVID in some places, busking as relatively lucrative, and fans who intentionally support small acts via merch, Bandcamp, etc.

Platforms, labels, and superstar dynamics

• The article’s 360‑deal example is seen as unusually exploitative but emblematic of a model where the few hits subsidize many losing bets.
• Labels and platforms are described as opaque, payola‑driven, and structurally geared to superstars; “middle-list” acts often lose money for labels and get little leverage.

Class, inequality, and systemic fixes

• Multiple threads note that working musicians increasingly come from wealthier backgrounds who can absorb years of low pay; parallels drawn to actors, fashion, and other “creative” fields.
• This broadens into a long argument about economic inequality, housing costs, UBI, and whether society should explicitly fund more people to pursue arts (and other “dream careers”) versus relying on markets.

Schizotypy, Voices, and How Psychosis Feels

• Several commenters distinguish schizophrenia from schizotypy and general psychosis: core issues described as “thought disorder” and “systems of delusions” more than just “hearing voices.”
• Internal dialogues, “invisible friends,” and praying are framed as common; schizophrenia is when thoughts are experienced as externally inserted/removed, with pervasive need for “reality testing.”
• Culture appears to shape voice content: some cite research that non‑US patients report more benign, even helpful voices, whereas US patients report hostile ones.
• First‑person accounts stress overwhelming certainty during psychosis, extreme pattern‑matching, and inability to talk oneself out of delusions even while recognizing they’re irrational.

Genetics, Evolution, and the Cliff‑Edge Model

• Some find the “cliff‑edge fitness” model intuitively appealing (cognition tuned near instability), others doubt that schizophrenia risk alleles enhance measurable cognitive ability; large‑scale data mostly show worse cognition.
• Alternative explanations:
  • Benefits may be in unmeasured abilities or non‑cognitive traits.
  • Modern environmental changes may now trigger disease more often, increasing fitness costs.
  • Polygenic architecture and shifting sets of risk variants could maintain ~1% prevalence without strong positive selection.
• There is discussion of specific genetic modules (e.g., RCCX, hEDS, C4) and the possibility of immune and autoimmune mechanisms.

Environment, Drugs, and Triggers

• Strong thread on substances as precipitants in genetically vulnerable people: cannabis (especially high‑THC), LSD, psilocybin, and heavy alcohol use are repeatedly tied to first psychotic episodes in anecdotes.
• Others stress confounding: people on the schizophrenia spectrum may be more likely to self‑medicate with drugs (including nicotine, alcohol, caffeine, stimulants).
• Evidence is cited both for and against strong population‑level cannabis–psychosis effects; some emphasize that risk is hammered into medical education, others say legalization data look inconclusive.
• Migration, stress, sleep deprivation, menopause, and infections (including COVID) are also described as important triggers.

Treatment, Self‑Medication, and Alternative Models

• Many criticize current antipsychotics: mechanisms are old, side effects severe, adherence poor; nicotine and CBD are floated as partial or future treatments.
• One long account describes “curing” schizoaffective disorder by aligning diet, micronutrients, climate, and pollution exposure with genetics, viewing illness as an immune/allergy‑like mismatch between genes and modern environment; others counter this is not the medical consensus and warn against discouraging standard care.
• ADHD stimulants are debated: some see them as harmful and over‑prescribed; others cite evidence for reduced addiction risk and unclear long‑term skeletal or dental harms.

Creativity, Intelligence, and Neurodiversity

• Multiple anecdotes describe increased musical or cognitive abilities around psychosis onset, or unusually sharp pattern recognition and cutting verbal skills in schizophrenic relatives.
• Commenters note modest statistical links between creativity and mental illness, but stress that mental illness is neither necessary nor sufficient for creativity.
• Autism is discussed as possibly sharing “edge‑of‑cliff” genetics with high intelligence and reduced social functioning; others emphasize trauma from growing up atypical among neurotypicals.

Personal and Social Impact

• Many painful stories: friends and relatives lost to untreated psychosis, paranoid withdrawal, and delusions such as living in a “Truman Show”–like “game.”
• Caregivers describe the burden of erratic behavior, fear of violence, and the difficulty of getting help when a person is not yet legally “a danger.”
• Partners of psychotic individuals wrestle with decisions about long‑term relationships and having children, including use of embryo screening and concern about genetic risk.

Perceptions of Oracle

• Many commenters describe Oracle as a rent‑extracting, litigious “lawyer company” whose core business is enforcing IP and squeezing customers via audits and contracts.
• Others push back, noting real technical contributions: Java/OpenJDK, JVM advances, GraalVM/GraalJS, MySQL 8, Helidon, and kernel work (XFS, btrfs).
• There’s a recurring distinction between strong engineering pockets (e.g., compiler/GC research, some cloud orgs) and widely despised business/legal practices.
• Several threads debate whether working for Oracle is an ethical red flag; some say yes, others argue that’s unfair to individual engineers.

JavaScript Trademark: Legality and Genericization

• The mark originates from a 1990s Netscape–Sun deal: Netscape created the language, Sun licensed the “JavaScript” name to align it with Java applets. Oracle inherited this via acquiring Sun.
• Deno’s challenge focused on alleged fraud in Oracle’s renewal (using Node.js screenshots as “specimen of use”). TTAB held that bad specimens alone don’t prove fraud; you must show intent to deceive and lack of actual use.
• Some argue Oracle does have “use in commerce” (e.g., GraalJS, database-embedded JavaScript), so outright cancellation on non‑use is difficult.
• Others emphasize that “JavaScript” is now a generic term for the language and ecosystem, not an Oracle brand, and see genericization (mark becoming the common name with no good generic alternative) as the stronger argument.

Rename vs. Fight for “JavaScript”

• One camp says: stop wasting energy, the official name is ECMAScript anyway; or adopt a new community name such as “JS” or “WebScript.”
• “ECMAScript” is widely viewed as bureaucratic and ugly; “WebScript” gets serious support as matching WebAssembly/WebGPU/WebWorkers and implicitly bundling JS + Web APIs.
• Others resist renaming: the term “JavaScript” is deeply entrenched (code, docs, hiring, tooling), and Oracle hasn’t actually been policing everyday usage.

History and Java Confusion

• Multiple comments revisit that JavaScript was originally Mocha/LiveScript and only later rebranded for Java co‑marketing.
• People stress that Java and JavaScript are now completely separate technologies; the shared “Java” prefix is seen as historical marketing baggage that still confuses non‑developers.

Motives and Community Politics

• Some view Deno’s move as partly brand PR (“savior of JavaScript”); others see it as a useful, community‑wide effort to loosen Oracle’s grip on a de facto public term.
• Several note Oracle could gain significant goodwill by voluntarily relinquishing or loosening the mark, but expect the company to reflexively defend all IP assets instead.

Thunderbird and client recommendations

• Debate over why Thunderbird is omitted from the “recommended” client list: author’s stated criterion is “works correctly out-of-the-box for plain text,” and Thunderbird needs configuration.
• Some argue it’s still the only obvious cross‑platform GUI choice in 2025 and excluding it is gatekeeping; others say its size/complexity (“350 MiB monster”, “desktop bloat”) makes it a reasonable omission for a minimalist/plain‑text guide.
• Alternatives like Claws and Sylpheed are mentioned but seen as harder to get on modern macOS (often needing Homebrew).

Inline replies, top‑posting, and client behavior

• Several participants like inline replies with trimmed quotes, but feel this practice is effectively dead in mainstream use: Outlook/Gmail UIs hide quoted text behind “show more,” making inline replies invisible or confusing.
• Some still do inline replies selectively (mailing lists vs family), or prefix with hints like “reply below.”
• Others have reverted to top‑posting because “modern clever clients” break the traditional quoting workflow.
• Quote formatting in plain text (72–78 char wrapping, nested “>”) is seen as tedious or broken in many GUI clients; terminal clients plus good editors (Vim) or format=flowed are mentioned as fixes.

Privacy, tracking, and MDNs

• Strong support for disabling automatic image loading to block tracking pixels; some share testing using email privacy tester sites.
• Discussion of Apple and Gmail proxying images: they still “look” like loads to senders but break open‑rate tracking by prefetching everything.
• Multiple comments advocate disabling MDNs/read receipts and sometimes filtering them at the MTA level; counterpoint: DSNs (delivery notifications) can be useful and some organizations cherry‑pick what to drop.

Plaintext vs HTML: ideals vs reality

• Plain‑text proponents cite simplicity, security, and control; some run terminal clients (alpine, mutt, mailx) and report most mail still includes a usable text/plain part.
• Others call the anti‑HTML stance cranky and outdated: rich text, inline links, headings, and limited images genuinely improve readability and structure.
• Accessibility and security arguments from the article are challenged: HTML has accessibility features; phishing/tracking concerns are more about how HTML is used than the format itself.
• Some say spam filters may distrust weird HTML; others claim pure plaintext can look more suspicious now.

Line length, wrapping, and devices

• Disagreement over 72–78‑column hard wrapping: some like it for large screens; others say it looks terrible on phones and that only format=flowed makes plain text tolerable across devices.

Social and adoption dynamics

• Many feel the “use only plain text” battle is lost: Outlook and Gmail defaults dominate, and very few users opt for plain text when given the choice.
• Several argue you should match the recipient’s ecosystem (mostly HTML/Outlook), not enforce personal purity.
• Others refuse to “bow to Outlook/Gmail,” insisting on sending plain text even if it “looks odd” to most recipients.
• There’s tension between “refusing to modernize” vs “not wanting proprietary, bloated, or privacy‑hostile tools.”

Status and Role of the US Copyright Office

• Several comments note that staff cuts or leadership chaos at the Copyright Office do not change the law; enforcement is primarily through courts and private platforms (e.g., YouTube’s automated systems), not the Office itself.
• The Office is seen mainly as a registry that helps identify rights holders and streamline licensing in an otherwise confusing landscape.
• Comparisons are drawn to the Patent Office: under-resourcing can worsen outcomes (more junk patents), not “deprecate” the underlying regime.

Is Copyright Being “Deprecated”? For Whom?

• Some celebrate a perceived decline of copyright as overdue, calling it oppressive and rent-seeking.
• Others argue it’s only being weakened “for billionaires”: large players flout IP with impunity, while smaller creators still face liability and fewer protections.
• There’s concern that assuming copyright is dying is risky; a future administration could aggressively re-enforce it.

AI, Open Source, and Copyright-Washing

• A thread of anger from open source authors: their work is used to train AI models, then effectively resold to them without credit or compensation.
• Some maintainers have stopped releasing new open source projects or are trying to monetize privately, seeing LLMs as a way to bypass GPL/AGPL “in spirit.”
• Others argue that AI plus weakened copyright will further empower big firms to appropriate and scale others’ work.

Abolish Copyright vs. Protect Creators

• Anti-copyright voices want “may the best implementation win,” preferring competition over monopolies.
• Creators (e.g., novelists) ask how they get paid if anyone can freely copy; suggested answers are patronage and employment.
• Critics say this leads back to feudal-style patronage: creators dependent on richer patrons or employers, with severe power imbalances.
• There is debate over whether patronage/subscriptions are truly inequitable, and whether work without paying supporters meaningfully “creates value.”
• Many argue copyright, though flawed, remains one of the few tools enabling smaller creators and startups to resist simple expropriation by richer entities.

Political and Constitutional Concerns

• The article’s account of attempts to replace the Librarian of Congress and Copyright Register sparks discussion of constitutional limits on presidential power over legislative-branch-adjacent offices.
• Commenters reference recess appointments and recent politics, with some expressing fear of expanding executive power and others calling those fears speculative.

Class, Capitalism, and Incentives

• One perspective frames copyright as historically serving the ruling class; with AI, it becomes less useful to big capital and more harmful to small creators.
• Broader worries emerge about “big capital eating small capital,” job elimination, and an economy drifting toward more concentrated wealth and fewer protections for individual creators.

Scaling, tetration, and “rounding away” the universe

• Commenters unpack why dividing a gargantuan tetration like 10↑↑10,000,000 by “grains per universe” barely changes it in that notation: adjacent tetration values differ by numbers like “(previous value) to the 10th power,” so any fixed factor (even ~10²⁰⁰) is negligible.
• Others push back that even if ratios are tiny in that notation, they can matter conceptually (e.g., universes almost empty vs packed with sand); “differences never matter” is framed as context-dependent, not absolute.

Capacity of the observable universe

• Several responses argue the observable universe cannot store BB(6) in full: information bounds (via Bekenstein) give ~10¹²⁰ bits, vastly below what’s needed even for much smaller towers.
• Some nuance appears about whether “writing down” requires simultaneous existence of all digits and how relativity and infinite time might complicate that, but the consensus is still “no” in any reasonable physical sense.

Independence from ZFC and nonstandard models

• A long subthread clarifies: the integer BB(748) exists (in classical math), but ZFC cannot prove which integer it is, because certain 748‑state machines are constructed to halt iff ZFC is inconsistent.
• Independence is explained via models: there can be models of ZFC where a machine “halts after Q steps,” with Q a nonstandard “finite” number larger than any standard integer; in the standard model that machine never halts.
• This leads to discussion of how first‑order Peano arithmetic and ZFC cannot uniquely pin down the standard natural numbers, and why “finite” is model-dependent in first-order logic.

Numbers vs computability and ultrafinitism

• Some argue BB(748) is “just a concept,” not really a number in any usable sense, because no algorithm can decide inequalities involving it; constructive and ultrafinitist perspectives are invoked.
• Others insist it is exactly as much a number as 12: there is a specific finite integer; we just can’t feasibly know or prove which one within ZFC.
• Distinctions are drawn between:
  • BB as a total function ℕ→ℕ versus its noncomputability in general.
  • Individual finite integers (always “computable” in the trivial sense “print n”) versus uncomputable reals.
• Several people stress the mismatch between “definable in classical logic” and “what we usually mean by number” in more practical or constructive contexts.

Gödel, halting, and the role of axioms

• Multiple comments connect BB to Gödel’s incompleteness and the halting problem:
  • If BB were computable, the halting problem would be decidable.
  • Specific machines are built that halt iff “ZFC is inconsistent,” so ZFC cannot prove whether they halt if it is consistent.
• There is debate over whether mathematics should have pursued richer axiom systems more aggressively post‑Gödel, versus the practical fact that most everyday mathematics fits into very weak systems (e.g., elementary arithmetic).
• Second‑order PA and reverse mathematics are mentioned to illustrate that:
  • ZFC is “overkill” for most of math, yet
  • Still inadequate to settle many natural independence phenomena (e.g., large BB values, continuum hypothesis).

Busy Beaver growth vs other huge numbers

• Commenters compare BB(6) and hypothetical BB(7) to famous large numbers like Graham’s number, speculating that BB(7) might exceed it.
• There is back‑and‑forth over what “grows faster than any computable sequence” really means:
  • BB eventually dominates any fixed computable function of n, but this doesn’t straightforwardly bound specific small values like BB(7) versus particular fast‑growing constructions.
• Related work on “functional” Busy Beaver (lambda terms) is cited to show surprisingly strong behavior in small encodings.

Meaning and communication of enormous numbers

• Several people note that physical analogies (grains of sand, universes) fail to genuinely “visualize” these magnitudes; past a point these numbers encode consistency strength and logical power more than intuitive quantities.
• Others comment on the article’s density and target audience: the BB(6) post is seen as aimed at readers with at least undergraduate‑level theory, blending expository writing with cutting‑edge results.
• There is minor meta‑discussion about who is “on the forefront” of Busy Beaver research versus who is popularizing it, and links to bbchallenge.org and specialized blogs for deeper technical details.

Cookie Pop-Ups and Privacy

• Several comments veer into complaints about the Economist’s consent banner and ad-tech ecosystem.
• Suggestions: use privacy‑focused browsers/extensions (e.g. Firefox + uBlock with cookie lists) to block banners and trackers.
• Some argue the UX is driven as much by regulation and ad‑tech design as by publishers; others see it as cynical data monetization masked by “we value your privacy” language.

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How Strong Are the Cognitive Benefits?

• Many see bilingualism as good “mental exercise,” especially for older adults or those seeking to slow cognitive decline, but not as a magic IQ booster.
• Discussion of research:
  • One cited meta-analysis suggests young children show early advantages that may disappear as monolingual peers catch up.
  • Others push back, questioning methodology, sample sizes, and how “cognitive development” is measured.
  • Some note standard language‑acquisition knowledge: bilingual toddlers often appear slightly delayed in each language, then catch up.
• A recurring view: benefits are likely modest and context-dependent; expecting big gains in general intelligence or memory is unrealistic.

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Language Learning vs Other Brain Stimuli

• Users compare language learning with playing instruments, puzzles, and exercise.
• Physical activity is repeatedly called the “clear winner” for overall health and cognition, with language, music, and other skills as secondary “brain gym.”
• Several argue sustainability and enjoyment matter more than which activity is theoretically “best.”

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Culture, Identity, and Perspective

• Strong thread: the biggest upside of multilingualism is cultural, not neurological.
• Knowing multiple languages is said to:
  • Deepen understanding of multiple cultures and nonverbal norms.
  • Enable access to unfiltered media and “small voices” beyond mainstream outlets.
  • Provide different “selves” in different languages and more nuanced perspectives.
• Some lament monolingualism as a missed opportunity; others see this as elitist or ignore opportunity costs.

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Effort, Utility, and Opportunity Cost

• Many multilinguals describe thousands of hours of study and immersion; several note progress is slow after childhood.
• Debate:
  • Utilitarian side: for most adults, the time is better spent on career, health, or enjoying high‑quality translations and AI tools.
  • Opposing side: long‑term, slow language learning is intrinsically rewarding and worth the sacrifice, especially for reading classics or integrating where you live.

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Accents, Discrimination, and Social Outcomes

• A long subthread covers accents:
  • Some immigrants feel accents and non‑native fluency hurt opportunities in English‑speaking countries.
  • Others counter that early bilingualism doesn’t inherently “mess up” accents and that native‑like pronunciation is achievable with targeted practice.
  • Accent coaches argue that native‑like speech often improves social reception, though not everyone finds the effort or cost worthwhile.

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Fluency Levels and Cognitive Load

• Discussion of what “fluency” means (CEFR levels, C1 vs C2):
  • Being able to rephrase around missing words in the target language is treated as a key threshold.
  • Near‑native fluency is described as the stage where you can play with grammar, invent words, and use humor without constant self‑monitoring.
• Several multilinguals report code‑switching, searching for words across languages, or sometimes struggling more in their native language once another has become dominant.

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Anecdotes and Edge Cases

• Individual stories range from sudoku apparently reversing memory decline in an elderly parent to a learner who feels tackling a very difficult language (e.g. Finnish, Polish) may have been an irrational use of time.
• One commenter claims a specific bilingual minority (Finnish‑Swedes) is slightly “duller” on IQ tests, but this remains a single uncorroborated assertion in the thread.

Engineered Addiction & Historical Parallels

• Many see modern apps as deliberately “addiction machines,” likened to gambling, casinos, slot machines, and earlier industries: tobacco, alcohol, sugar, fast food, and processed food.
• Some argue vice regulation can “stick” (e.g. cocaine removed from soda, food safety rules) so digital addictions might also be regulatable, even if harder to see than drunk behavior.
• Others frame these designs as a kind of “mind control” or non‑physical violence against users’ autonomy.

Capitalism, VC, and Incentives

• A dominant thread: the core problem is shareholder‑driven capitalism and VC, which reward engagement and growth over user wellbeing.
• Outside investment is seen as a key turning point where “authentic” products become optimized for DAUs and time-on-site; the company itself becomes the product to flip.
• Long debate over whether law truly forces profit-maximization or whether that’s cultural myth; critics say even without a strict legal duty, boards, markets, and compensation structures strongly punish executives who don’t chase growth.
• Some broaden this to private equity and financialization generally: the same extraction logic is visible in healthcare, services, and labor conditions.

Regulation and Policy Ideas

• Proposed levers: algorithmic transparency, limits on targeted ads (or ads altogether), classifying social media as a public utility, forcing platforms to bear more cost for externalities, regulating like tobacco.
• Skeptics note regulators’ tech illiteracy and corporate capture; supporters counter that regulation can target incentives rather than code details.

Alternative Models & Federated/Small Platforms

• Non‑profit, co‑op, or public models (Wikipedia, Metafilter, Mastodon, local forums) are cited as proofs that healthier spaces can exist, usually small, slow‑growing, and modestly funded.
• Federated platforms (Mastodon, Lemmy, Pixelfed) are mentioned as structurally resistant to enshittification but struggle against network effects and marketing muscle.

Feasibility of Paid / Non‑Addictive Social Media

• Repeated question: would people actually pay $2–5/month for an ethical, non‑gamified network? Many doubt it, citing user reluctance to pay for search, email, or YouTube.
• Others argue server+staff costs for a lean, non‑VC social site are modest; success just requires far fewer users, but bootstrapping the initial network is very hard.

Human Nature vs Design & Individual Responses

• Some say the real “addiction” is human preference for emotional stimulus; platforms merely evolve to fit that demand. Others insist behavioral addiction is real and intentionally exploited.
• Practical coping strategies discussed: deleting apps, grayscale or e‑ink phones, feature‑phone or no‑phone lifestyles, and prioritizing offline community and “third places” over digital socializing.

What MCP Actually Adds

• Many see MCP as “just APIs” with one key twist: a built‑in, mandatory discovery mechanism (list-tools) plus schemas and human‑readable descriptions.
• Clients can enumerate tools, see JSON schemas for parameters (and now outputs), and call them through a uniform envelope, regardless of underlying transport (stdio, SSE, HTTP).
• This makes runtime introspection and generic tooling easier, especially for LLMs, but also for human users or custom clients.

Continuities with Existing Standards

• Multiple commenters note strong parallels to REST+OpenAPI, SOAP/WSDL, CORBA, gRPC reflection, GraphQL introspection, COM/ActiveX/OLE Automation, ARexx, AppleScript, Winsock, etc.
• MCP is often described as a JSON‑RPC flavored redo of earlier IDL/self‑describing systems, with less formality and more natural‑language documentation.
• Some argue the only genuinely new ingredient is the LLM‑driven demand, not the protocol itself.

Dependence on LLMs vs “Just APIs”

• There’s tension over whether MCP is useful without AI. Critics say: without an LLM to interpret tool docs and free‑form outputs, MCP collapses to a weaker, unstable API.
• Supporters argue you can still treat tools like any other functions: discover them once, then call them directly, or let users choose tools at runtime.
• Others point out a practical problem: MCP servers assume AI clients and may change schemas and outputs freely, making hard‑coded, non‑LLM integrations brittle.

Hype, History, and Business Incentives

• Several commenters see MCP hype as analogous to Web 2.0 mashups, semantic web, SOAP, GraphQL, blockchain, etc.: a recurring “universal interoperability” boom likely followed by lock‑in and paid access.
• Others argue AI agents genuinely increase pressure for standardized, user‑level APIs (e.g., for Slack, Jira, email, calendars), at least temporarily.
• There’s speculation about future “MCP app stores,” paid MCP endpoints, and big vendors using MCP primarily to deepen their own ecosystems or monopolize “model access.”

Security, Complexity, and Practical Concerns

• Serious worries around security: LLMs calling arbitrary tools that themselves fetch and execute untrusted content is likened to pre‑sandboxed browsers or JS with no origin boundaries.
• Enterprise‑scale APIs with hundreds of endpoints remain hard to expose meaningfully; MCP doesn’t remove underlying domain complexity.
• Implementation reports are mixed: libraries make simple tools easy, but integrating real backends, IAM, and bidirectional messaging is described as non‑trivial, with documentation called confusing or incomplete.

Current Usage and Potential

• Despite skepticism, some are already using MCP for audit‑log querying, government data, mapping APIs, Slack scraping, RSS workflows, and local filesystem access.
• Advocates highlight a lower barrier for non‑technical users and see MCP+LLMs as a plausible threat to low‑code orchestration tools like Zapier or IFTTT.

Bot implementation and title framing

• Several commenters look for a link to the bot; others point out the implementation is trivial with discord.py and webhooks and shouldn’t require sharing code.
• Some criticize the vague, “clickbaity” title; others defend it, saying the focus on social impact rather than tech stack is refreshing and that the story earns its upvotes.

Recreating “presence” and old internet vibes

• Many connect the bot’s “someone just joined voice” signal to AIM/ICQ days, where being online was a clear, intentional invitation to chat.
• Others recall IRC, Teamspeak, Ventrilo, Skype, Google Talk, and BBSes as earlier versions of the same “drop-in” social space.
• A long subthread laments that we’re now “online by default,” AFK essentially doesn’t exist, and casual presence has been replaced by fragmented apps and constant pings.

Notification overload and how people cope

• Commenters describe group chats (Signal, WhatsApp, etc.) becoming unusable due to volume, leading to muting, multiple topic-specific groups, or channelized tools (Slack, Discord).
• Several advocate turning off most notifications or using separate “good phone / bad phone” setups to regain deliberate use of communication tools.
• Others differentiate between mentally tiring but productive use (reading, learning) and the “hangover” feeling from scrolling feeds.

Hardware / IoT and ambient signals

• The blog’s “RGB desk lights per friend” idea sparks interest; multiple people are building similar LED or ESP32-based status/urgency indicators for partners or household use.
• There’s disagreement: some find pervasive flashing LEDs intrusive, others stress accessibility and disability use cases (e.g., deaf users, physically separated partners).
• People reminisce about notification LEDs on older phones and wish modern devices would expose richer, user-centric notification controls.

Alternative tools and feature wishes

• Many propose that Discord, WhatsApp, or Signal should natively support an “I’m here now” voice-room notification.
• Alternatives floated: Mumble/Teamspeak for self-hosted voice, Slack huddles with notifications, Telegram/WhatsApp bots, ntfy, Kanban boards, or simple extra Signal groups dedicated to “I’m playing now.”
• Several argue this “bat signal for hanging out” is common enough that it should be a first-class feature in mainstream chat apps.

Privacy, tradeoffs, and social dynamics

• Some are uncomfortable moving from Signal to Discord, citing surveillance and lack of E2EE for text; others note that most people prioritize going where their friends already are.
• Suggestions include self-hosted Mumble or careful separation of what is shared where, but many acknowledge the real tradeoff between privacy and maintaining active friend groups.
• A recurring theme: maintaining adult friendships requires intentional infrastructure—whether bots, servers, or scheduled channels—and many readers are inspired to build similar things for their own circles.

Clear War Crimes and Genocidal Framing

• Many see the reported orders to fire on unarmed Gazans at food distribution points as unambiguous war crimes, and further evidence of an ongoing, intentional genocide in Gaza.
• Commenters tie this to patterns: systematic destruction of hospitals, obstruction and bombing of aid, and incitement by Israeli political and media figures.
• Several note UN and ICC processes (e.g., genocide reports, arrest warrants) as confirmation that these are not fringe interpretations.

Accountability, Impunity, and Chain of Command

• A major concern is not only the acts themselves but the near-total lack of accountability inside Israel, from frontline soldiers up to top leadership.
• Some argue Israel occasionally prosecutes low-level offenses, but only as optics; serious crimes against Palestinians go unpunished.
• Others emphasize that “following orders” does not excuse soldiers under international law, and that ICC jurisdiction exists precisely when national systems are “unable or unwilling” to act.
• There is worry that automated targeting systems and opaque bureaucracy will be used to diffuse or evade individual responsibility.

Military Capability vs. Intent

• Several point out that Israel has demonstrated high-precision capabilities (e.g., targeted killings abroad), arguing that mass bombardment of dense civilian areas and repeated killing at aid sites therefore reflects intent, not inability.
• A minority reply that guerrilla warfare in urban terrain unavoidably raises civilian casualties and that Hamas’s embedding among civilians blurs lines, while still calling many incidents abhorrent.

Strategic Aims Toward Palestinians

• One recurring analysis lists Israel’s options: two-state solution, equal citizenship, permanent subjugation, or expulsion/extermination; many believe the current policy tracks the last.
• Commenters cite long‑term strategies like “mowing the lawn,” support for Hamas over more moderate Palestinian factions, arming “clans,” and structural aid control as tools to prevent any viable Palestinian state and to encourage depopulation via starvation, bombing, and forced flight.

Collapse of the “Rules-Based Order”

• The thread repeatedly highlights Western complicity: arms, diplomatic cover, and political donations, alongside ICC warrants and UN reports being ignored.
• The contrast with Western rhetoric on Ukraine and “rules-based international order” leads many to conclude that international law is applied only to enemies, not allies.

Media, Narrative, and Skepticism

• Some distrust all reporting without video evidence; others counter that this standard is selectively applied and impossible under Israel’s restrictions on journalists in Gaza.
• Haaretz is generally treated as a serious, if left-leaning, outlet; a few dismiss it as propaganda.

Morality, History, and Collective Responsibility

• Long subthreads debate whether oppressed peoples often become oppressors, drawing parallels to Nazi Germany, colonialism, and postwar Europe.
• There is sharp disagreement over how much blame to place on “ordinary” Israelis versus their government, and over whether using the term “genocide” diminishes or correctly extends lessons from the Holocaust.

Emotional value of old notes and artifacts

• Several commenters say they’d be saddened to delete a big archive. Old notes feel like photos of past thoughts, triggering memories of earlier selves, interests, and life phases.
• Others regret past purges of journals, trinkets, or childhood work, feeling they destroyed “eras” of themselves.
• A different group is actively trying to detach from the past, choosing to throw away boxes of old stuff without even re‑opening them to avoid another 20 years of storage and ambivalence.

Notes as tool vs burden

• Many distinguish between notes as:
  • Practical external memory (how‑tos, commands, account details, logs of rare tasks, project state), which they’d never delete.
  • Backlogs of goals, to‑dos, and half‑baked ideas that become a source of guilt and anxiety.
• Several readers interpret the deleted “second brain” as mainly the latter: a mausoleum of deferred self‑improvement, especially intertwined with sobriety and anxiety.

Skepticism about PKM / “second brain” culture

• Widespread critique of elaborate PKM systems (Zettelkasten, PARA, Roam/Obsidian graphs, atomic notes):
  • They can turn note‑taking into a full‑time hobby and a sophisticated form of procrastination.
  • Linking and perfect structure are seen as traps that shift focus from thinking and doing to managing the system.
• Some argue real insight comes from subtraction, reflection, and writing in one’s own words, not hoarding quotes. Others say the original Zettelkasten success story is over‑sold.

Preferred alternatives and “middle ways”

• Many advocate simpler setups:
  • One or few plain‑text/org/Notes files, minimal tags, heavy reliance on search.
  • Daily journals and project logs, occasionally culled or archived by date.
  • Paper notebooks that are inherently selective and hard to over‑organize.
• Common advice: archive or zip old vaults rather than delete; let them sit “out of the way” for possible future nostalgia or reuse.

LLMs, organization, and future regrets

• Some think deleting a large corpus now is shortsighted; it could feed a local LLM later, making organization unnecessary.
• Others counter that the psychological weight of the archive is the real problem, and irreversible deletion can be genuinely liberating—even if it sacrifices potential future value.