Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unmanned fighter jets

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Defense procurement, incumbents, and competition

  • Many welcome contracts going to non-traditional primes like Anduril instead of only Lockheed/Boeing/Northrop, seeing this as overdue competition after decades of consolidation.
  • Others argue DoD’s core mission is “win wars,” not diversify suppliers, but counterpoints note that DoD itself explicitly cultivates multiple competitors to avoid stagnation and ensure options.
  • Comparisons are made to NASA’s Commercial Crew (SpaceX vs Boeing) and Navy ship programs (LCS, Constellation), with recurring themes of feature creep, political meddling, and cost‑plus contracts driving overruns.

Anduril: capabilities, hype, and skepticism

  • Supporters see Anduril as a fast-moving “budget defense contractor” that executes and prices better than legacy primes.
  • Skeptical ex-employees and partners describe unreliable, over‑marketed systems, unscheduled demo failures that still won contracts, and poor interoperability with tools actually used in Ukraine.
  • Some expect iteration plus long contracts will eventually yield good products; others think Chinese or traditional US contractors remain technically superior.
  • Tech stack notes: reported Haskell usage and migration of some on‑robot code from C++ to Rust.

Drones, autonomy, and changing warfare

  • Heavy discussion of drone warfare in Ukraine: FPV “suicide” drones, EW jamming, cheap quadcopters vs expensive armor, and evolving countermeasures (cages, “turtle tanks,” EW “microwave” jammers).
  • Disagreement on effectiveness: some point to dramatic videos and tank kills; others cite estimates that only a small fraction of FPV strikes achieve mission kills, with large support teams and logistics per attack.
  • Historical analogies: torpedo boats vs battleships; man‑portable ATGMs vs tanks; shared battlespace systems since the 1960s; conclusion that cheap swarms and “exquisite” platforms will likely coexist.
  • Debate over whether dogfighting is “dead”; some caution this was said before (e.g., F‑4 era) and proved wrong.

Autonomy, ethics, and politics

  • Strong ethical concerns about lethal autonomous systems and “Skynet” scenarios versus arguments that adversaries will build them anyway (prisoner’s dilemma).
  • Some argue AI could, in theory, reduce collateral damage with precision targeting; others cite current practices (e.g., AI-assisted targeting like “Lavender”) as evidence of broad, abusive definitions of “target.”
  • Long subthreads on Ukraine and Israel–Palestine: causes of the Ukraine war (NATO vs Russian imperialism), legitimacy of US/NATO defense sector, and whether western publics should support defense tech.
  • Anduril’s sponsorship of NixOS events sparked ongoing community conflict over accepting defense money; proponents stress open-source neutrality, opponents stress community norms about sponsorship.

Broader reflections

  • Several comments see Ukraine as a live lab for US and Russia to test drones, EW, and hypersonics; others note the conflict’s specifics (no US-style air superiority, Soviet stockpiles) limit direct applicability.
  • Some worry the military‑industrial complex drives endless war; others counter that recent Russian aggression shows hard power remains necessary.