Starliner Is Such a Disaster That Boeing May Cancel the Entire Project

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Boeing’s Corporate and Cultural Problems

  • Many see Starliner as symptomatic of broader Boeing issues: financialization, cost-cutting, outsourcing, weak quality control, and a degraded engineering culture (often linked to the McDonnell Douglas merger).
  • Criticism that MBAs and short‑term shareholder focus “extracted” value, leaving a hollowed‑out company.
  • Some argue the problems are systemic across U.S. industry (Ford, GM, tech), not just Boeing.

Government Role, National Security, and Possible Remedies

  • Boeing is viewed as “too strategic/connected to fail” due to exports and defense work.
  • Proposals range from:
    • Breaking up Boeing’s business units.
    • Nationalization or using Defense Production Act / war powers to seize or control assets.
    • Forcing Chapter 11 to wipe out shareholders/execs while preserving operations.
  • Others call these ideas unrealistic or legally/politically untenable in peacetime.

Starliner Program Status and Contract Structure

  • NASA decided not to bring astronauts back on Starliner; they will return on a Crew Dragon flight months later.
  • Starliner is on a fixed‑price contract; Boeing is reportedly deeply underwater financially.
  • Debate over whether Boeing can or should walk away vs being compelled to perform; some expect a negotiated exit.
  • One commenter notes NASA’s Inspector General cited high numbers of quality Corrective Action Requests and insufficient trained workers on related Boeing programs.

SpaceX Comparisons and Monopolies

  • Frequent comparison: SpaceX delivered crew transport earlier, at lower contract price, with multiple successful flights.
  • Counterpoints:
    • SpaceX’s internal costs and profitability are largely unknown.
    • Some claim SpaceX might be subsidizing launches to gain dominance (“Amazon playbook”); others argue audits and ongoing spending imply real operating profits.
  • Concern about a de facto SpaceX monopoly; some see a short‑term monopoly as acceptable with ISS ending in a few years, others call it dangerous and argue for multiple providers or more in‑house NASA work.
  • Alternative or future competitors mentioned: Orion, Dream Chaser, Blue Origin.

NASA, Safety, and Astronauts’ Situation

  • Most agree NASA’s choice to avoid flying crew home on Starliner is prudent.
  • Astronauts’ extended ISS stay is framed as a normal, safe mission extension, not a “stranding.”

Broader Reflections

  • Discussion of whether Boeing can reform its culture vs needing new entrants.
  • Mixed views on privatization: some praise commercial innovation; others see capture, waste, and “jobs programs” like SLS as evidence of structural issues.