Starship's Twelfth Flight Test

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Launch conditions & schedule

  • Discussion notes a high chance of storms over south Texas; several expect a scrub, though others see forecast odds as still “reasonable.”
  • Some debate what precipitation percentages mean (probability vs area coverage); one cites official definitions to argue it’s actual probability.
  • Launch Commit Criteria are highlighted as more important than generic rain odds; people have seen launches proceed despite low “go” forecasts.

Booster recovery strategy (catch, splashdown, barges)

  • This flight won’t attempt a booster catch; several say V3 is a substantially new vehicle and protecting the single upgraded tower is critical.
  • Multiple reasons given for not using barges:
    • Booster lacks landing legs and is intended to be caught by the tower “chopsticks.”
    • Size, thrust, and resulting plume over water would cause stability and structural issues; barge landings would also slow turnaround and distract from the rapid‑reuse goal.
  • Some are disappointed at the lack of catch attempts; others stress the asymmetry of risk: losing a booster is minor, losing the tower could delay the program by many months.

Raptor 3 engines & vehicle design

  • Commenters are excited about first flight of the new engines: cleaner, more minimalist plumbing, reportedly ~20% more thrust and ~1 ton dry-mass savings per engine.
  • Discussion compares Raptor to traditional, visually cluttered engines; some see the new look as evidence of intense manufacturability and cost optimization.
  • Technical side‑threads discuss turbopump power, full‑flow staged combustion, and how design forces extreme efficiency.

Testing strategy, failures, and lunar/refueling timelines

  • Several see ocean splashdowns and possible “test to destruction” as valid steps to validate controls and manufacturing before high-risk catches or reuse.
  • Debate over whether recent V2 flights were “failures” vs research milestones:
    • One view: missing key test objectives (heat shield, satellite deployment) cost ~9 months.
    • Counterpoint: historically high early failure rates are normal; Starship’s rapid progress is impressive.
  • Opinions diverge on timelines:
    • Optimists: if V3 stabilizes quickly and in‑space refueling is demonstrated by ~2026, uncrewed and crewed lunar landings in the late 2020s remain plausible.
    • Skeptics: in‑space refueling is still a research project, lander design is challenging, and spacesuit and budget issues make a pre‑2030 crewed landing unlikely.

In‑space refueling risks and techniques

  • One question raises fears that a failed orbital refueling could “destroy everything in orbit” via explosions or Kessler syndrome.
  • Responses:
    • Starship tests are currently suborbital; debris would reenter.
    • Using low or decaying orbits limits long‑lived debris.
    • An explosion in orbit would be localized, not globally catastrophic.
  • Technical ideas discussed:
    • Fluid behavior in microgravity (bubbles, surface tension) can break turbopumps.
    • Possible mitigations: spinning docked ships to create pseudo‑gravity; using tank bladders and pressurizing gas; temporarily pumping inert gas before propellant.

Streaming, scams, and platform incentives

  • Several recount being tricked by fake “official” livestreams with AI‑generated commentary and cryptocurrency scams using QR codes.
  • Frustration that:
    • Imposter channels can squat on official-looking names for long periods.
    • Reports sometimes result in “no violation found” responses, raising calls for legal accountability.
    • Past mass takedowns to combat scams also temporarily wiped out legitimate space content, leaving mostly scams discoverable.
  • Some speculate that ad economics favor scams: high margins allow them to outbid legitimate advertisers; platforms are seen as optimizing for revenue and eyeballs, not safety.

Engagement, branding, IPO, and market reaction

  • People notice more polished, mass‑market messaging from the company (website copy, long‑form explainer videos, pre‑flight hype reels) and connect this to IPO preparations.
  • Speculation on how a public listing would intertwine stock price with test outcomes:
    • Flight success or failure timing may no longer align with market hours.
    • Some suspect conservative choices on high‑risk stunts (like early tower catches) could be partially motivated by anticipated market scrutiny.

Enthusiasm vs skepticism and politics

  • Enthusiasts express excitement over routine access to large test rockets, high‑resolution onboard footage, and aggressive experimentation.
  • Others are more cynical:
    • One likens the iterative test cadence to an “incompetent AI agent blundering to convergence.”
    • Historical references (e.g., Soviet N1 development under extreme constraints) are used to contextualize the challenge of many‑engine boosters.
  • A subset of commenters say they can’t separate the technology from the CEO’s politics and behavior. They explicitly wish for the company’s endeavors to fail, believing the broader rocket‑technology “genie” is already out and others can eventually replicate the capabilities.
  • Another theory suggests that disillusionment with leadership’s politics may sap motivation among engineers, possibly worsening recent outcomes, though this is speculative within the thread.