Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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U.S. officials have reportedly elevated Israel to the highest-threat category for espionage against American government leaders, prompting broader scrutiny of how far allies routinely go in spying on each other. Commenters debate whether Israel’s behavior is uniquely aggressive or simply more visible than comparable U.S. operations abroad, and tie the issue to lobbying, election influence and deep integration between the two countries’ militaries and tech sectors. Many argue that decades of unquestioned political and financial support for Israel, especially around the Iran war and domestic surveillance concerns, are now colliding with shifting public sentiment and growing doubts about whether the relationship serves U.S. interests.

Spying Between Allies & “Why Now?”

  • Many note that states routinely spy on both allies and adversaries; Snowden-era examples of US spying on Europe are cited.
  • Commenters highlight the article’s claim that Israel’s activity goes “well beyond” typical allied espionage.
  • Several ask why this is treated as news now, given longstanding suspicions. Explanations offered:
    • Blowback from the US–Israel–Iran war, especially over the Strait of Hormuz crisis.
    • US intelligence and military frustration that Israeli actions undercut US de‑escalation goals.
    • Need for political scapegoats as the Iran war is viewed as a strategic and domestic disaster.

US–Israel Relationship, Power, and Influence

  • Strong claims that Israel exerts outsized influence over US politics via lobbying (AIPAC and related PACs), campaign spending, and narrative control; election primaries are cited as examples.
  • Some frame the US as a “vassal” or “host” captured by a “client state”; others call this exaggerated or propaganda, stressing US agency and broader strategic motives.
  • Evangelical Christian support, especially eschatological “Christian Zionism,” is repeatedly cited as a major political driver.
  • Others emphasize that US elites choose this relationship; blame falls primarily on US politicians rather than Israel.

War on Iran, Lebanon, and Strategic Miscalculation

  • Many see Israel as having pushed hard for the Iran war and regime-change fantasies, with Trump portrayed by some as malleable or poorly briefed.
  • Others argue key US, Gulf, and Israeli actors all wanted Iran weakened, but the campaign was ill‑planned (no clear plan for Hormuz, escalation in Lebanon, etc.).
  • Dispute over whether Iran is now “weaker than ever” (decapitated leadership, more brutal IRGC) or relatively stronger (proved deterrent, regional leverage, public rallying effect).
  • JCPOA (Iran nuclear deal) is debated: some insist Iran complied until the US left; others argue Iran hid sites and acted in bad faith.

Espionage, Tech, and Information Operations

  • Claims that Israel runs a “hyper‑aggressive” intelligence service, including:
    • Targeting US officials’ deliberations.
    • Selling offensive cyber tools (e.g., Pegasus-type spyware) and using kompromat.
    • Extensive hiring of former Israeli intelligence personnel by US tech firms.
  • One long comment describes Israel as a long‑time US “subcontractor” for deniable operations (including money laundering and arms), and notes growing discomfort inside US agencies.
  • Discussion of “hasbara” (Israeli strategic communications) and significant state budgets for international PR.

Conspiracy, Blackmail, and Antisemitism Framing

  • Several tie espionage to broader concerns about blackmail of politicians (Epstein, sexual kompromat), while others caution against using confirmed plots to justify unrelated conspiracies (e.g., moon landing denial).
  • Strong frustration that criticism of Israeli policy is frequently labeled antisemitic; others warn that some anti‑Israel rhetoric slides into classic antisemitic tropes.
  • Some see rising public fatigue with unconditional support for Israel and predict that openly pro‑Israel positions may become political liabilities.

Policy Ideas and Reactions

  • Suggested responses include cutting or conditioning military aid, supporting sanctions and ICJ action, resisting deep US–Israel defense tech integration (e.g., NDAA Section 224).
  • Others argue espionage is normal, that the US almost certainly spies on Israel as well, and that overreaction could damage a long‑standing alliance.