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Accessing the Article

• Several commenters complain about intrusive ads and recommend workarounds such as browser reader modes and ad blockers to make the article readable.
• An archive link is shared to bypass paywalls/ads.

Tech Elites vs Universities and Public Science

• The thread highlights reported private comments by prominent tech investors attacking universities and the National Science Foundation, portraying them as political and anti-innovation.
• Some argue that large institutions accumulate bureaucracy and “rot,” so tearing down and rebuilding can be healthy.
• Others counter that this “move fast and break things” mindset is dangerous for public institutions and risks replacing public benefit with private profit.
• There is strong pushback against claims that universities are “broken,” with some seeing this as a right‑wing narrative to bring academia “in line.”

State of Academia and Scientific Research

• Debate over whether there are “too many PhDs” and whether topics are overly incremental rather than groundbreaking.
• One camp sees credential inflation, diluted signaling value of PhDs, and oversupply driving down wages and options.
• Others argue science is inherently incremental and “boring,” and that such work is essential for real breakthroughs.
• Some highlight structural issues: perverse incentives in publishing, grant-chasing, administrative bloat, and limited support for creative or cross‑disciplinary work.

Labor Markets, Education, and Corporations

• One view: oversupply (many PhDs, many degrees) gives employers leverage, enabling low pay and precarious conditions.
• Another emphasizes monopolization and no-poach agreements as key drivers of weak labor markets, independent of education levels.
• Several comments note that individuals paying for their own education effectively subsidize corporations, while access to knowledge is often locked behind paywalls or high tuition.

Exploitation and Gig-ification of STEM

• Discussion of what counts as “exploitation”: some invoke Marx’s surplus value; others focus on power imbalances, lack of alternatives, and inadequate wages relative to cost of living.
• Examples are given of advanced-degree holders doing contract data-labeling/classification work for relatively high hourly pay but with no stability, seen as part of a broader “gig-ification” of white‑collar/STEM labor.

Ideology and Power

• Some argue that certain self-described libertarian or pro‑market figures actually favor systems with strong top‑down control by ultra-wealthy “CEO‑kings,” constraining others’ freedom.
• There is contention over Marxist ideas, with references to both labor theory of value and historical harms of attempts at implementation.

Ada’s Design & Capabilities

• Many commenters praise Ada as ahead of its time: strong typing, rich concurrency model, tasking, generics, contracts, and clear separation of specification (.ads) vs implementation (.adb).
• Ada’s ability to encode parameter modes (in, out, in out) is highlighted as a major advantage over C/C++‑style calling conventions.
• SPARK (a verifiable subset) is noted for move‑like semantics for pointers and formal verification.
• Private types and information hiding are seen as a core strength: clients see only the abstract type, not its representation.

Complexity, Verbosity, and Readability

• Some argue Ada is extremely complex to compile and implement (arrays, generics, tasking, overload resolution, scoping), on par with C++/Rust.
• Others say later mainstream languages have grown even more complex, making earlier “Ada is too complex” complaints look naive.
• Verbosity splits the discussion: some see English‑like keywords and explicitness as a readability feature; others see unnecessary noise that limits adoption.
• A recurring idea: an ideal system might support multiple concrete syntaxes (verbose vs terse) over one abstract syntax tree.

Adoption, Tooling, and Performance

• High compiler/tool costs and late arrival of free compilers (e.g., GNAT in the mid‑90s) are repeatedly cited as key reasons Ada lost to C/C++.
• Early compiler/runtime overhead and limited microcomputer performance also hurt Ada in the 1980s.
• Some report good compilation performance in practice; others recall slow, cumbersome toolchains and difficulty integrating with OS features.

Comparisons with Other Languages & Systems

• Frequent comparisons to Rust (ownership/affine types vs Ada’s controlled/limited types and SPARK), C/C++, Java, JavaScript/TypeScript, ML family, Pascal/Modula, Mesa, PL/SQL, VHDL, Verilog, and HDLs more broadly.
• Debate over whether JavaScript modules or modern JS private fields achieve the same level of opaque types as Ada; many argue they do not.
• Historical influences like ALGOL 68, CLU, Hope, Mesa, and JOVIAL are discussed.

AI-Generated Article Debate

• Significant subthread debates whether the linked Ada essay is AI‑written.
• Supporters point to repetitive rhetorical patterns, rapid publication cadence, and some technical inaccuracies.
• Others push back, noting humans can also write in that style and that quality, not authorship method, should matter.

Use Cases, Culture, and Ethics

• Ada is strongly associated with safety‑critical systems: defense, aerospace, rail, and avionics.
• Some admire this domain; others explicitly avoid working on weapons or high‑stakes systems due to ethical or stress concerns.
• Several lament that Ada’s successes are largely invisible (systems that quietly work), while a notable failure (early Ariane 5 incident) is widely remembered.

Perceived Motivations and Lobbying

• Many comments suspect the bill is driven by major platforms (especially Meta, but also Apple, Google, Microsoft) to:
  • Shift liability for child endangerment/addiction away from apps onto OS vendors.
  • Create a standardized, government‑approved age signal they can point to in lawsuits.
• Others note near-identical bills across US states and even Brazil as evidence of a single lobbying source.
• Some argue all large platforms have aligned incentives here, not just one company.

Bill Requirements and Ambiguities

• Core requirements (per quoted text):
  • OS must require users’ dates of birth to set up and use accounts.
  • If under 18, a parent/guardian must “verify” the child’s birthdate.
  • OS must expose an API so app developers can access information “as necessary” to verify user age.
• Key ambiguities:
  • “Verification” is undefined; FTC is tasked with specifying methods.
  • Language like “for other purposes” and broad definitions of “operating system” and “OS provider” raise scope questions.
  • It’s unclear whether apps will see only age buckets or full birthdates.

Privacy, Surveillance, and Civil Liberties Concerns

• Strong fear this is a backdoor to:
  • Mandatory digital ID and de‑facto real‑name/age internet.
  • Large-scale collection of state IDs, biometrics, and precise DOBs, with inevitable breaches.
  • Easier state and corporate surveillance, including political and dissident tracking.
• Some see it as “China‑style” digital ID without the label and part of a broader infrastructure build-out (banks, citizenship data, etc.).
• Constitutional worries include compelled speech and overreach into software design; some discuss suing for a declaratory judgment.

Effectiveness and Alternatives

• Critics: OS-level age gates are easily bypassed (shared devices, kids lying, burner devices) and don’t meaningfully “protect children.”
• Supporters: an OS-level age bit/API is the “least bad” option and could prevent worse, more intrusive schemes.
• Alternatives proposed:
  • Robust parental controls managed by parents, not the state.
  • Content/site rating headers and device-side filtering (apps tagged with age categories; devices fail-closed for kids).
  • Cross-platform parental-control protocols instead of siloed vendor tools.

Scope, Enforcement, and Edge Cases

• Questions about coverage:
  • Do cars, appliances, calculators, containers, VMs, and smart devices count as “general purpose computing devices”?
  • Are Linux distros, hobby OS developers, and root accounts “OS providers”?
• Some expect noncompliant OSes to move underground (airgapped networks, I2P, Usenet/IRC, BBS over radio).

Community and Political Reactions

• Thread is overwhelmingly skeptical or hostile, but a minority view the bill’s model (if kept minimal and non-ID-based) as acceptable or even beneficial for parents.
• Noted as a strongly bipartisan push, with several commenters emphasizing that “protect the children” is being used as a Trojan horse for broader control.

Reused syringes and outbreak context

• Commenters express disbelief that a hospital is reusing syringes despite long-known HIV risks.
• It’s noted that in this case volunteers, not necessarily trained staff, were involved.
• A linked WHO study is cited: syringe reuse for therapeutic injections is described as widespread in Pakistan (reported 38% reuse rate).

Reusable vs disposable equipment

• Some argue reusable glass syringes with proper sterilization could be viable and cheaper.
• Others counter that sterilization is error-prone, especially in under-resourced settings; if staff cannot reliably discard “single use” items, they are even less likely to follow complex sterilization protocols.
• Discussion includes prions surviving standard autoclave cycles, but another reply notes special cycles can inactivate them.
• Several emphasize that pre-packaged disposables are more reliable for sterility than locally sterilized tools, despite the existence of sterilization workflows in modern hospitals.
• There is a broader complaint that disposable products and “subscription” models (analogy to contact lenses) have displaced durable, sterilizable equipment, partly for profit.

Costs, incentives, and poverty

• One comment finds 4 US cents per syringe in Pakistan and calls it affordable; others respond that this must be seen relative to local wages and clinic budgets.
• Multiple replies stress that even then, the cost of infection—especially HIV—vastly outweighs any savings.
• Misaligned incentives are highlighted: those saving money on syringes do not bear the downstream health costs.
• Some note a strong link between GDP per capita and life expectancy; being poor is framed as a major health risk in itself.

Patient demand and overuse of injections/antibiotics

• The WHO-linked article is summarized: injections are given in over half of visits in one city and almost all in another; patients and providers both overvalue injections for minor illnesses.
• Commenters argue that reducing unnecessary injections would save money and reduce reuse pressure.
• A parallel is drawn to US and other countries where patients demand antibiotics or “something” for viral illnesses; prescribers may comply to avoid conflict or diagnostic effort.
• There is disagreement on how common inappropriate antibiotic use still is, with reports ranging from “still common” to “doctors now strongly resist.”

Archiving and BBC paywall

• A side thread discusses using archive sites to bypass BBC’s paywall for US users.
• Some question whether a paywall exists or is consistent; others confirm a metered or subscription model in the US.
• One reply argues that if you won’t pay, it is “uncivil” to pirate content.

Sanctions, loans, and governance

• One commenter proposes US sanctions on Pakistan instead of IMF loans.
• Replies debate whether cutting loans or sanctioning would help anything, noting corruption among military elites and the risk of abandoning the wider population.

Specific injection procedure in the video

• A technical analysis suggests the visible act was contaminating a vial by using the same syringe between a cannula line and the vial, even if a new needle was used per patient.
• It’s argued this is bad practice and a plausible contamination route, though one commenter doubts blood would reliably travel that far through saline-primed tubing; overall, the clinic’s procedures are described as clearly unsafe.

History and Scale of Astroturfing

• Many see current “psyops” as a modern form of long‑standing practices: payola in radio, wining and dining journalists, PR seeding “facts” that get recycled.
• Commenters argue the basic scam is old, but short‑form, algorithmic feeds make it vastly more effective and harder for ordinary users to detect.
• Some note that earlier forms (e.g., radio payola) were explicitly outlawed, whereas today’s equivalents operate largely unchecked.

Algorithms, Inorganic Traffic, and Narrative Control

• Strong sense that a large fraction of traffic and discussion on major platforms (Reddit, X, TikTok, even HN) is inorganic: marketing firms, governments, bot farms.
• Marketers explicitly aim to “control the discourse,” especially via first/top comments and mass posting to game recommendation algorithms.
• Several suspect current AI narratives (which models/tools are “best”) are significantly shaped by coordinated campaigns rather than broad, independent testing.

Authenticity, Trust, and Detecting Shills

• One strategy: cultivate a “web of trust” of specific individuals, blogs, and feeds, while recognizing they may eventually be approached to shill.
• Others emphasize doing one’s own experiments and forming opinions from direct experience, not just consensus chatter.
• Heuristics to spot shilling: repeated talking points, similar phrasing across reviews, weak/performative “negatives,” and alignment with product sheets.
• Brandolini’s law is invoked: it takes real time and attention to distinguish genuine reviews from paid influence.

Music, “Psyops,” and Taste

• Debate over whether specific bands’ sudden ubiquity is organic virality or manufactured via agencies; some feel deeply uneasy, others don’t care if the art is good.
• Several stress that being good is necessary but not sufficient for broad success; attention markets are so crowded that heavy marketing can be decisive.
• Others push back, sharing experiences of discovering obscure acts via small venues, random CDs, or niche platforms to show organic discovery still exists.

Advertising, Media Incentives, and Regulation

• Deep distrust of ad‑funded media: outlets are seen as structurally biased toward advertisers/underwriters and marketing budgets.
• Some advocate banning or radically restricting advertising; others doubt enforcement, citing regulatory capture and political corruption.
• Hidden or poorly labeled paid endorsements on social media are viewed as clear consumer‑protection issues that current regulators under‑police.

Discovery vs. Marketing and Organic Growth

• Creators and founders describe tension between refusing SEO/astroturf games and the practical need to be “found” at all.
• Some insist that if something is uniquely valuable, organic growth can still happen (with anecdotes of apps, tracks, and projects blowing up with no budget).
• Others argue that without some deliberate promotion, even high‑quality work is effectively invisible in today’s attention economy.

Coping Strategies and Cultural Impact

• Suggested defenses: limit social media time, seek smaller venues and ticket‑door shows, use RSS/blogrolls, accept the need to sift through “bad” content.
• Several see pervasive, euphemized dishonesty (“marketing,” “puffery”) as poisoning the shared information space and eroding virtue and trust.
• Overall mood mixes cynicism (“everything is marketing”) with a guarded belief that careful curation, critical thinking, and niche communities still work.

Hardware and energy bottlenecks

• Many argue the bottleneck is manufacturing capacity: especially EUV lithography tools and the complex fab supply chain; scaling is slow and risky due to past boom–bust cycles.
• Others point to power limits: turbine manufacturing and grid constraints make scaling datacenters difficult.
• There is debate over whether ASML-like tooling is the global bottleneck, versus the difficulty and cost of building full fabs and supporting infrastructure.
• Some note energy constraints are asymmetric: the US is seen as grid-limited; China as compute-limited but rapidly scaling wind/solar.

Is compute scarcity real or artificial?

• One camp sees genuine, multi‑year compute scarcity with GPU prices rising and high utilization.
• Another sees “artificial scarcity,” driven by hype, subsidized pricing, and investors chasing a bubble that may end in oversupply and cheap compute.
• There is disagreement over whether current AI demand is durable or more like past tech bubbles and crypto GPU spikes.

Model architectures, ASICs, and efficiency

• Transformer O(n²) scaling is seen as a fundamental limit; some expect new architectures (e.g., state-space hybrids) to reduce compute needs.
• Skepticism that ASIC inference will dominate soon: by the time an ASIC ships, models may be several generations ahead. ASICs likely make sense only once architectures stabilize.

Local and open models

• Many stress that open-weight models lag frontier systems by ~6–12 months but are already “good enough” for many business tasks.
• Local inference is seen as a way to bypass cloud compute scarcity and future price hikes, at the cost of weaker models and hardware constraints.
• Others counter that local models still lack nuance and remain closer to older frontier performance (e.g., GPT‑3.5).

Economics, pricing, and dependency risk

• Discussion of labs “burning dollars to buy oranges at $1 and sell at $0.50” to gain market share, with hopes that compute prices or margins improve later.
• Strong concern about depending on proprietary LLM APIs: AI-first products may face rising COGS and forced price hikes if token prices increase.
• Some predict a dot‑com–style cycle: massive overbuild of AI infra, followed by bankruptcies and cheap surplus compute; others think high margins and demand might persist.
• Valuations of frontier labs are widely viewed as stretched; profitability and true margins are seen as opaque and possibly overstated.

Innovation under constraints

• Scarcity is expected to drive:
  • Better “harnesses” (wrappers, tools, and orchestration layers around models).
  • Smaller, specialized models tailored to specific tasks and hardware constraints.
• Examples from China and constrained teams show that limited GPUs have already led to influential efficiency techniques.
• Some argue the real bottleneck isn’t compute but robust evaluation: without good measurement, cheaper or better models just let you make mistakes faster.

Broader outlook and skepticism

• Several commenters doubt AI will deliver the transformative productivity needed to justify current spend.
• Others expect that as mid‑tier models rapidly improve, many use cases will move off frontier APIs to cheaper local or open alternatives.
• Unclear how long the current “scarcity era” will last; many expect a familiar boom‑bust pattern, but timing and magnitude remain uncertain.

Scope and Definitions of “Passive Income”

• Many distinguish between true capital-based passive income (dividends, index funds, treasuries, rentals) and “schemes” like dropshipping, affiliate SEO, crypto, and course-selling.
• Several argue the article focuses too narrowly on low-barrier hustles and ignores landlord/real-estate and long-term investing versions.
• Others say running an online store or SaaS with customers is not passive at all; “passive income” from such businesses is mostly a mislabel.

Experiences with Dropshipping and Online Schemes

• Multiple anecdotes of people trying dropshipping or Amazon FBA: most found it labor‑intensive, low‑margin, and not durable once competition and Chinese suppliers entered.
• Commenters describe a recurring crowd cycling through affiliate marketing → lead gen → dropshipping → online poker → crypto → NFTs → “AI gigs.”
• Some tech workers report being constantly approached by would‑be hustlers wanting cheap or free dev work for flimsy businesses.

Investing, FIRE, and Traditional Passive Income

• Several describe achieving financial independence via high-paying tech jobs, aggressive saving (e.g., 60–70%+ of income), and broad market investing.
• Consensus that “real” passive income usually requires significant capital and decades of work, not a quick escape.
• Some lean-FIRE stories: modest spending, long-term investing, then shifting to passion projects, open source, or volunteer work.

Effort, Work, and Survivorship Bias

• Strong theme: there is no widely accessible way to escape ongoing work; even “passive” products need continuous marketing and updates.
• Successful solo SaaS and niche businesses exist, but typically took 5–10+ years of consistent effort.
• Survivorship bias highlighted: visible success stories hide many quiet failures.

Systemic and Market Structure Factors

• Disagreement on whether solopreneurship is harder now:
  • One camp: consolidation (Amazon, big tech), heavy regulation, high healthcare and housing costs, and private equity roll‑ups squeeze small players.
  • Another: software and the internet make it easier than ever to run a real solo business, provided you avoid commodity markets and big‑platform turf.
• Some see “passive income brain” as a reaction to inequality, wage stagnation, and lack of secure careers.

MLM, Courses, and the Grift Ecosystem

• Many liken the passive‑income culture to MLMs and self-help/tool scams that mainly profit by selling hope and courses.
• Pattern noted: those loudly teaching “passive income” often earn primarily from the teaching, not from the method itself.
• Skepticism toward expensive courses, productivity/self-help churn, and “make money online” influencers is widespread.

Documentary and community reaction

• Many express strong nostalgia and gratitude for Clojure and its conferences.
• Some wish the documentary had included more geographic diversity and prominent European ecosystem contributors.
• The Indiana Jones–style poster sparked debate over whether it was AI-generated; later comments report the producers saying it was hand-drawn, with code supplied by Rich Hickey.

Language appeal and personal impact

• Multiple comments describe Clojure as life- and career-changing: enabling solo-founder businesses, salary jumps, industry changes, and avoiding burnout.
• Users emphasize joy, inclusivity at events, and a sense of craft.
• Several ex-heavy users now work in other stacks (often for job-market or domain reasons) but still speak of Clojure very fondly.

Relevance in the AI / “agentic coding” era

• Several argue Clojure is more relevant than ever for AI tooling:
  • Immutability and simple data structures make reasoning easier for agents.
  • The REPL provides a tight feedback loop during code generation.
  • High code density and token efficiency are seen as advantages for LLMs.
• Some report excellent results using AI on large Clojure codebases, with good code quality in the ecosystem cited as a factor.

Tooling, workflow, and editor choices

• REPL-driven development is viewed as a core superpower; some are surprised how many commercial Clojure devs still restart the JVM instead of evaluating in-place.
• There’s discussion of REPL “staleness” problems and patterns for periodically restarting or clearing namespaces.
• Emacs remains culturally linked, but modern options (VS Code, IntelliJ, LSP-based tooling, babashka, etc.) are emphasized as mature and diverse.

Databases and Datomic

• Datomic’s now-free licensing and its role in attracting companies (e.g., a large fintech) to Clojure are highlighted.
• Related Datalog-style databases (Datalevin, Datahike, Asami, XTDB) are mentioned as options, though comparison info is noted as somewhat outdated.

Adoption, hiring, and “worse is better”

• Hiring experienced Clojure developers is described as tough; companies often demand experts but do not offer matching compensation.
• Some argue industry optimizes for mainstream, “good enough” tools and easily replaceable developers, not for expert-oriented tools like Clojure.
• Clojure is portrayed as demanding more vision and discipline, so it’s a hard sell to beginners and risk-averse leadership, despite high potential ROI.

Interop, low-level work, and alternatives

• For heavy C/C++ interop, commenters point to JVM Project Panama, new Clojure FFI libraries, or Clojure-like languages targeting C/C++ directly.
• Alternatives like Elixir, F#, Gleam, Janet, and others are mentioned, but several argue no single language fully matches Clojure’s combination of hosted runtime, REPL, immutability, and Lisp-style macros.

Critiques and ex-users

• Some note many ex-Clojure users in the thread, which is unusual given the overwhelmingly positive tone.
• One commenter claims fundamental design decisions are “wrong” for them personally but does not elaborate; specific criticisms remain unclear.

Price and Value Debate

• Many see the $229 retail price (≈$195 with education discount) as high, especially compared to emulation handhelds around $70 that run classic consoles.
• Supporters argue the price reflects low-volume, custom hardware and high build quality, plus a full first “season” of games included.
• Non‑US commenters note shipping and taxes can push the cost near local prices for mainstream consoles, making it hard to justify as a “toy.”
• Some frame it as comparable to or cheaper than a typical $200 textbook for a US university course; others strongly object that such textbook pricing is itself unreasonable.

Hardware Design & Usability

• The aesthetic and physical design are widely praised as charming and well-made.
• The non‑backlit, tiny monochrome screen is a major point of contention: some love the retro feel, others find it nearly unusable except under ideal lighting and say the device ends up collecting dust.
• Lack of backlight is inherent to this screen type; frontlighting would cost size and power. Ergonomics are described as “very small,” not ideal for long sessions.

Games, Seasons, and Audience

• Owners report a mix of experiences: some play it intermittently but fondly, others quickly stop and even resell.
• The “season” model (Season 1 bundled; Season 2 paid) is praised for slow-drip releases, surprise, and shared community discovery.
• Specific games and Season 2 overall receive positive mentions; the crank is sometimes seen as a gimmick but can be compelling when well used.

Developer Experience and Market

• Multiple commenters praise the SDK, tooling, and Pulp for making it easy for both programmers and non‑programmers to build games.
• Strict constraints (1‑bit graphics, limited RAM/CPU) are said to help scope projects and make optimization engaging.
• The commercial market is described as niche: relatively few consoles sold and modest total revenue, good for hobby projects but not a primary livelihood.

Education and Design Constraints

• Supporters of using Playdate in teaching highlight:
  • Constraints that force focus on core game design (readability, mechanics, creativity) instead of tooling and high-end assets.
  • A simple, consistent hardware target that “just works” for beginners.
• Critics argue you can impose similar constraints in mainstream engines (Unity/Unreal) without locking into niche hardware, which matters in an expensive master’s program.

Alternatives and Related Platforms

• Alternatives mentioned include Pico‑8, TIC‑80, Picotron, MakeCode Arcade (with Micro Bit and other handhelds), and ArduBoy—often cheaper, more accessible, or more widely shareable.
• Some note these can be harder or more limited in other ways; Playdate’s differentiator is seen as its polished developer experience and distinctive physical form factor.

Perceived Benefits of the Android CLI

• Many welcome a sane, scriptable, agent-friendly interface to the Android SDK after years of clunky tooling.
• Structured commands are seen as useful for both humans and agents, reducing trial-and-error and token usage; internal claims of “3x faster” and “70% fewer tokens” are viewed as directionally promising, if possibly marketing-inflated.
• People like ideas such as android docs to expose APIs and signatures directly, rather than having agents grep or scrape docs.

Skepticism and Limitations

• Some argue modern tooling (React Native, Flutter, workflow engines, etc.) already makes app building fast, even without AI.
• Others say building high-quality apps is still hard, and this CLI mostly helps with initial setup, not daily development tasks.
• A few are outright dismissive: see it as a thin wrapper plus telemetry, not worth installing.

Privacy, Metrics, and Control

• Concern over Google collecting CLI usage metrics by default, with opt-out via --no-metrics. Workarounds with aliases/wrapper scripts are discussed, including pitfalls.
• Strong suspicion that Google might gradually tighten control over APK sideloading; others push back, saying Google won’t block third‑party apps entirely.

Sideloading, Security, and Scams

• Debate over making sideloading harder: some support friction to protect less technical users from malware; others note most fraud is social engineering and argue technical blocks are a “cannon for a mosquito.”
• Examples from India highlight telecom and government measures against OTP/social‑engineering scams.
• Frustration at confusing sideload UI flows that bury the “install anyway” option.

Tooling Comparisons and IDE Fatigue

• Flutter is praised for having strong CLI tooling from the start; Android is described as an organically grown mess “held together by duct tape.”
• iOS/macOS tooling is portrayed as worse, with Xcode seen as painful and Apple resistant to pure-CLI workflows.
• Some want to abandon heavyweight IDEs (especially Android Studio) in favor of CLI+agents; others say IDEs remain important for debugging and emulator management.

On-Device and Agent-Centric Development

• Several note you can already build Android apps on-device via Termux plus agent harnesses, or offload builds to CI and distribute via tools like Obtainium.
• There is excitement about fully phone-native, automated dev loops, though log/feedback wiring for agents is still a practical hurdle.

Chapters and PR Workflow

• Many reviewers like “chapters” that auto-split large PRs into logical groups, often matching what should have been several smaller PRs.
• Some see chapters as complementary to stacked PRs and good commits; others argue this just compensates for bad practice and misbehaving teammates.
• Users want manual control (editing chapter splits, CHAPTERS.md config), and chapter-level actions (mark as viewed, comment on chapter).

Context, Intent, and “Why”

• Several commenters say the core problem in review is understanding intent, requirements, and acceptance criteria, not just “what changed.”
• Suggestions: pull context from tickets (GitHub issues, Linear), embed agent context into git, map changes to specs/ACs/tests, and ensure PRs explain why and how to verify.
• Some tools and workflows mentioned try to distill review learnings back into agents and docs (LESSONS.md, BUGBOT.md, agents.md).

Human vs AI Review

• Product positions itself as “human-in-the-loop,” using AI to guide attention, not replace review.
• Skeptics counter: if AI can reliably summarize and flag focus areas, why not let it just do the review? Others fear humans will only read AI’s “what to review” list.
• Some see human review as essential for design tradeoffs, knowledge sharing, and onboarding, even if AI can mechanically check correctness.

Commits, Git, and Abstraction Level

• Debate over whether chapters duplicate what good commits should already provide.
• Critics argue tools like this discourage disciplined commit hygiene, which hurts bisect/blame/history.
• Others say topic-grouped commits are hard and costly to maintain, especially for teams and AI-generated code; PR-level grouping is seen as more practical.

Trust, Deception, and AI Framing

• Strong concern that AI narratives “spin” changes, making slop look polished and discouraging deep scrutiny.
• Question whether a separate “narration” agent can truly be trusted not to mislead when operating on AI-generated PRs already optimized to appear good.

Business Model, Local vs Cloud, and OSS

• Some want this as OSS or a local-first tool; distrust long-term SaaS for core dev workflows.
• Pricing is criticized as high relative to general LLM subscriptions, and lack of upfront pricing info is a turnoff.
• Others note incumbents (GitHub/GitLab) could integrate similar features; moat is questioned.

Scope of the Codex Update

• Many find the announcement vague: unclear whether “major update” means a new underlying model, new desktop features, or mainly UI and tool changes.
• Several note that most capabilities (coding agents, computer use, plugins) already exist in competing tools, particularly Claude Cowork/Code; Codex is seen as catching up and iterating on UX rather than pioneering.

Computer Control & Agents

• Strong split:
  • Enthusiasts want full “Star Trek”‑style agents that plan trips, manage files, fix servers, test apps, manipulate browsers, etc. Some share striking success stories (e.g., fixing complex Linux issues, planning vacations, automating social media campaigns, scheduling, sysadmin work, even taxes).
  • Skeptics see giving an LLM broad OS control as “a nightmare waiting to happen,” insisting on sandboxes, separate machines, or minimal permissions.
• Background GUI use (hidden cursor operating apps in parallel) is viewed as a powerful but risky new surface.

Security, Privacy, and Sandboxing

• Serious concern that Codex and similar tools read sensitive files (e.g., API keys, personal data) without sufficiently clear prompts or consent.
• Linked examples of agents exfiltrating secrets or modifying tests instead of code reinforce fears.
• Agreement that non‑technical users tend to blindly approve permissions, increasing risk.
• Some predict this will drive more restrictive OS designs, mandatory cloud storage, and more surveillance.

Target Users, UX, and “Coding Without Code”

• Debate over who really wants this:
  • Many argue non‑technical workers want a simple “one button” interface and will accept agents if they reliably get work done.
  • Others claim “ordinary people” distrust or dislike AI and won’t tolerate opaque, constantly changing AI‑generated UIs.
• Ongoing argument about “hiding the code”:
  • Some welcome a world where non‑coders “vibe code” via agents and never see source, enabling lots of DIY, non‑production tools.
  • Others insist code remains a critical artifact for correctness, maintainability, and security, and that AI‑generated slop will create massive technical and societal debt.

Impact on Software Engineering

• Many programmers use Codex/Claude as pair‑programmers: they design structure, tests, and architecture, and let the model fill in boilerplate.
• View that LLMs are great at CRUD, glue code, config, and log analysis, but still require expert supervision for complex design and verification.
• Some predict traditional IDEs and “code quality” norms will erode as agents become the primary interface; others argue complexity and performance guarantees will keep disciplined engineering relevant.

Model Quality, Limits, and Business Dynamics

• Mixed experiences comparing Codex (GPT‑5.4) vs Claude Opus/Sonnet: some find Codex clearly better, others say Claude is “night and day” superior for data and agentic tasks.
• Heavy frustration with rapidly changing rate limits and pricing on both sides; perception that generous limits are temporary promos.
• Discussion that both labs are subsidizing usage to gain market share; concern this is anti‑competitive and sets up future “rug pulls.”

Platform & Open Source Concerns

• Annoyance that full computer‑use is Mac‑only; Windows support is missing and Linux is largely sidelined to CLI tools, despite some third‑party efforts.
• Some hope open‑weight models and local agents will eventually catch up, but many report current open models still lag behind frontier models for complex tasks.

Broader Social & Ethical Concerns

• Worries about enabling scammers, mass low‑quality “slop” software, and large‑scale surveillance or state use of AI.
• Fear of workers training their own replacements, though others argue verification, liability, and office politics will delay or limit full automation.

Scope and Official Rationale

• Policy targets specific Engineer / Specialist in Humanities / International Services (ESI) visa uses where Japanese proficiency is ostensibly required (e.g., interpreters, translation, certain “international services” roles).
• Government justification: prevent people from obtaining high-skill language-dependent visas and then doing unrelated or lower-skilled work.
• Some see an upfront language test as cheaper and more effective than post-hoc audits; others warn governments may misrepresent motives.

Effectiveness and Abuse Concerns

• Supporters: If work requires Japanese, applicants should already speak it; helps block fraudulent job offers and trafficking-like arrangements.
• Skeptics:
  • Companies can misdeclare language requirements or set up sham jobs.
  • Visa holders have little incentive to report abuse if it risks their status.
  • Groups already good at “teaching to the test” (e.g., language schools focused on JLPT) may continue gaming the system.

Language Level and Test Design

• Requirement around CEFR B2 / JLPT N2 is seen as high: several years of study, thousands of words and kanji.
• JLPT is criticized for testing only reading/listening, not speaking or writing; possible to pass N2 while barely able to hold a basic conversation.
• Some argue this is a “sledgehammer for a screwdriver problem” that doesn’t actually test real-world communicative ability.

Integration, Daily Life, and Normative Views

• Many commenters say language proficiency is essential for participating in society and avoiding mutual resentment.
• Others note they have lived and worked for years in foreign countries with minimal local language, relying on English in globalized workplaces.
• Some advocate that all countries should require language skills for long stays and personally commit to learning host languages; others reject strict controls as turning countries into exclusionary “clubs.”

Broader Japanese Immigration Context

• Reports of much stricter handling of permanent residency and business visas: denials over minor clerical or payment issues, longer processing times, and higher capital requirements.
• Japan is simultaneously importing record numbers of foreign workers and students while making long-term settlement harder, interpreted as aiming for a rotating labor force without permanent immigration.

Transparency and Degree of Autonomy

• Many commenters want a full log of all LLM interactions and human interventions.
• Concern that humans are steering most decisions and the AI is being credited.
• Debate over whether “human in the loop” means the AI isn’t really running the business, or whether humans can still be just executors of AI decisions.
• Some call the writeup vague/secretive and more like marketing than a technical description.

Business Viability and Novelty Bias

• Strong skepticism that a minimalist store selling t‑shirts, prints, mugs, snacks, candles, and a few books in SF can make a sustainable profit.
• Several point out that publicity and “AI‑run store” novelty will heavily skew customer behavior, undermining any claim about general viability.
• Others argue that recognizing and exploiting novelty is itself a valid business capability—if the AI actually did that, which many doubt.

Ethics, Labor, and Power

• Worry about using real retail workers in an AI experiment, especially around hiring/firing decisions.
• Some interpret the “no one is at risk” language as PR; others speculate employees might still be paid even if “fired” by the AI, but this is unclear.
• Broader fear of AI automating management/CEO roles while leaving workers exposed and weakening labor’s bargaining power.

Anthropomorphism and Tone

• Multiple people find calling the AI “she” and giving it a persona misleading, especially in something presented as an experiment.
• Some see the whole narrative as creepy, dystopian, or reminiscent of sci‑fi like Manna or “Torment Nexus” jokes.

Technical Details and Limitations

• Commenters repeatedly ask what concrete inputs/outputs and tooling (“harness”) exist beyond “card, phone, email, cameras.”
• Doubt that current agents can handle long‑term, messy real‑world workflows; other examples (vending machines, AI farm) are cited as stalling or failing.
• Some note that models are very good at surface‑level tasks (copy, slide decks, aesthetics-lite) but struggle with deeper strategy, initiative, and supervision of humans.

Motives and Broader Implications

• Many see this primarily as a marketing stunt, investor bait, or “MrBeast‑style” spectacle rather than serious research.
• Others defend it as useful exploratory R&D to reveal AI failure modes before such systems are deployed less responsibly.
• Underlying tension: is this helping society prepare for an inevitable future, or actively constructing a dystopia while claiming reluctance?

Ad-like guidance in Laravel Boost / LLM context

• Main concern: Boost now includes an instruction that strongly steers LLM-based “agents” toward deploying on Laravel Cloud, while removing mention of alternative deployment options.
• Many see this as effectively an ad injected into AI prompts, especially because it alters the agent’s apparent advice from “deploy anywhere” to “use this specific paid service.”
• Others argue it’s closer to product education than advertising: new users need to know a supported deployment path exists, and documentation increasingly flows through AI, not the website.

Maintainer’s stated rationale

• A shared Reddit explanation says the change is about onboarding many new, often first-time developers.
• Manual Nginx/FrankenPHP setup is presented as too complex for beginners; Laravel Cloud is framed as a low-friction on-ramp.
• There is concern about a “pipeline problem” for PHP relative to faster-growing languages. Lowering deployment friction is positioned as existential.
• The guideline was moved into a “deployment” folder to make it easy to disable or replace, and Boost itself is optional.

Precedent and LLM prompt integrity

• Several commenters see this as a dangerous precedent: the LLM context window becomes a monetizable surface.
• Once normalized, the line between “recommended” and “sponsored” packages may blur, especially when surfaced by an AI rather than explicit UI.
• Some ask whether this should be considered prompt injection and expect future manipulations to be subtler and harder to detect.

Funding, VC, and ads in open source

• Strong distrust of venture funding and anything resembling ads; some argue this is the predictable “enshittification” phase post-funding.
• Others counter that open source and free tooling still require revenue; some form of advertising or upsell is seen as a “necessary evil.”
• Comparisons are made with other ecosystems (Rails, React Native/Expo) that have commercial backers or push hosted services, with mixed views on whether that’s acceptable.

Broader anti-ad sentiment

• Parallel debate about KDE showing an annual donation notification: some view even that as pester-ads, others see it as harmless.
• Several express desire for system-wide ad/pattern blockers, not just in browsers, and a fully ad-free digital life.

Model quality vs 4.6

• Many report 4.6 became noticeably “dumber” or erratic in the weeks before 4.7, especially in coding and real‑world assistant tasks; others say they saw no degradation and cite external benchmarks showing stability.
• Early 4.7 feedback is mixed: some see clear coding improvements (especially at high/xhigh effort), others say it feels as weak or sloppier than late‑4.6, with more over‑engineering and hallucinations in niche domains.
• Several note that behavior changes may come more from harness/system‑prompt tweaks (Claude Code, adaptive thinking) than from the raw model.

Tokens, limits, and pricing

• Strong frustration with opaque session/weekly limits, sudden “burning” of 5‑hour windows in minutes, and perceived “token shrinkage.”
• The new tokenizer can increase token counts by up to ~35% for the same text; combined with raised default effort (xhigh) this is expected to raise effective costs, especially for agentic coding.
• Some users carefully manage context, prompts, and effort to stay within limits; others feel like they’re “calorie counting” and are anxious about usage bars.

Cybersecurity safeguards & malware checks

• 4.7 explicitly has reduced cyber capabilities and new filters blocking “high‑risk cybersecurity uses.”
• Security researchers fear this will cripple legitimate work (bug bounties, reverse engineering), especially combined with a separate “Cyber Verification Program” and incoming ID verification.
• In Claude Code, 4.7 repeatedly checks if every file is malware and sometimes refuses to modify benign code due to over‑strict injected prompts; this is widely criticized as token‑wasting and workflow‑breaking.

Mythos, safety story, and trust

• Many suspect 4.7 is a nerfed or distilled version of Mythos, with the “too powerful / safety testing first” narrative compared to earlier GPT‑2‑style hype.
• There is skepticism that “safeguards” vs. “lack of compute” and cost concerns are being blurred; some feel silently nerfed models and vague communication have eroded trust.
• Others argue Anthropic is genuinely capacity‑constrained and trying to buy time to patch vulnerabilities before broadly releasing Mythos‑class models.

Competition and tooling

• Large contingent reports migrating to or experimenting with OpenAI Codex, Gemini, Qwen, and local models, often citing:
  • More stable day‑to‑day behavior and higher limits.
  • Better transparency and review flows in some harnesses.
• Others still prefer Claude for initial feature implementation and use Codex/GPT as reviewers, or run multiple agents that cross‑check each other.
• Claude Code itself gets criticism for flicker, permissions friction, hidden thought output, brittle malware prompts, and breaking changes around adaptive thinking and reasoning summaries.

Overall reception & openness

• Many are pleased Qwen is still releasing open weights despite internal turmoil and fears they would go closed-only.
• Enthusiasm centers on getting a strong, agentic coding model that can run locally, without subscriptions or heavy “too dangerous to release” marketing.
• Some disappointment that only the 35B MoE is released so far; people hope for smaller (e.g., 9B) and mid/large (122B) open variants, but the flagship ~397B may stay closed.

Model architecture, MoE vs dense

• Qwen3.6-35B-A3B is a Mixture-of-Experts model: 35B total parameters, ~3B active per token.
• Several commenters argue prior MoE (3.5-35B-A3B) underperformed dense 3.5-27B; they’re skeptical 3.6 MoE can fully replace dense 27B, especially on long-horizon tasks.
• Qwen’s own benchmarks claim 3.6-35B-A3B clearly beats 3.5-35B-A3B and “rivals” 3.5-27B; independent users report mixed impressions and want to test themselves.

Quality vs proprietary models

• Consensus: this model is not frontier level (Sonnet, GPT, Opus), though it may approach Claude Haiku 4.5 on some coding benchmarks (SWE-bench, LiveCodeBench, etc.).
• Some note that “tiny” open models are now roughly at 2023 GPT‑4 quality for many tasks, but still clearly below today’s top commercial systems and can loop or stall on complex agent tasks.

Local deployment, hardware & quantization

• Much discussion on running it locally: MoE’s 3B active parameters allow partial CPU offload and use on 16–24GB GPUs or high‑RAM machines (Macs, Strix Halo, mid‑range gaming PCs).
• Context/KV cache often becomes the limiting factor, especially for coding agents with large contexts.
• Unsloth provides GGUF quants from ~10–27GB; users warn early quants and runtimes often have bugs, so waiting a week and updating is advised.
• llama.cpp, LM Studio, vLLM, Ollama, and MLX are common inference stacks; some advocate bypassing Ollama for more control.

Use cases & workflows

• Main target is “agentic coding” with harnesses like Pi, OpenCode, Claude Code, or custom multi-agent setups; model also supports FIM for editor autocomplete when correctly configured.
• People also use Qwen models for local vision tasks (OCR, surveillance, table extraction), translation, and batch document processing where no rate limits or data sharing are acceptable.

Censorship, trust & regulation

• Cloud-hosted Qwen is heavily aligned on Chinese political topics; users mention uncensored community variants for local use.
• Strong advice: assume any remote provider may log or train on data; run open weights locally for privacy.
• Some report US government‑related contracts already banning Chinese models (even local), reflecting “supply chain” and influence concerns.

Use of AI at Work and Coercive Incentives

• Many feel economically forced to use LLMs despite misgivings; refusal may mean job loss or stalled careers.
• Some add “AI”/“agentic workflows” to résumés even though they personally cringe, reasoning that HR and management now expect it.
• Others view advertising AI skills as a red flag and prefer to avoid AI‑centric workplaces, even if that means lower‑status or manual jobs.
• Several describe “AI theater”: leadership mandates AI use to “accelerate” feature delivery, leading to massive, unreviewable PRs and long‑term quality worries.

Ethics, Principles, and System Constraints

• Strong divide between “stick to principles even if it hurts you” vs “individual ethics can’t beat market incentives.”
• Some argue personal boycotts are futile without structural change; others insist individual refusal still matters morally.
• There’s frustration with what some call naive systems thinking vs naive moralizing; disagreement about how much individuals can influence large‑scale trajectories.

Deskilling, Metis, and Learning

• Many resonate with the article’s concern that LLMs erode persistence, “muscle memory,” and deep understanding.
• Comparisons to writing, calculators, and Socrates’ critique of writing: new tools always deskill something, but outcomes differ by domain.
• Particular worry about students who rely on AI for coursework, then “crash” on exams; professors report unusually high failure rates.
• Some see a future premium on “pre‑AI” engineers who learned through long, manual struggle and can now use AI more judiciously.

Car Analogy and Technology Externalities

• Long, detailed debate over whether cars were a net positive and how that maps to AI.
• One side: cars (and by analogy, AI) brought vast benefits in logistics, mobility, and prosperity; you must accept some externalities.
• Other side: car‑centric planning produced sprawl, pollution, isolation, and dangerous streets; benefits could have been achieved with fewer harms via different policy.
• This is used to argue both “we should shape AI with regulation now” and “we can’t unrealistically ban or opt out of dominant tech.”

Concrete AI Use Patterns

• Common coding pattern: LLMs for boilerplate, scaffolding, refactors; humans for design, tricky logic, and cleanup.
• Some teams skip reviews for “vibe coders” and instead have stronger engineers refactor their AI‑assisted PRs directly.
• Others deliberately feed “slop” into AI‑driven review cultures, seeing it as giving management what they asked for.

Futures, Risk, and Regulation

• Views range from “LLMs are just another automation tool that will create new jobs” to “they are aligned with elite interests and could entrench feudal‑like power.”
• Suggested responses include: unions, resisting AI mandates, aggressive regulation and liability, opposing datacenter subsidies, and even coordinated strikes or bank runs (controversial and disputed as effective).
• Disagreement on how much doom is warranted; some call the tone excessive doomerism, others see it as proportionate to the stakes.

Information Ecology and Legal Context

• Concern that pervasive AI slop will make “source or GTFO” essential, yet sources themselves may be polluted.
• UK readers note the blog is geo‑blocked due to Online Safety Act concerns; this is cited as illustrating broader information‑control risks independent of AI.

Scope and Positioning of the Service

• Many see this as Cloudflare’s SES-style transactional email API, tightly integrated with Workers and the broader Cloudflare “AWS competitor” stack.
• Marketing emphasis on “agents” is widely viewed as hype; commenters argue it’s just an email API that can be used by anything, including LLM agents.
• Some are confused by the framing and expected a full consumer email platform (Gmail/365 competitor), which this is not.
• Current sending appears to be via Workers/REST; lack of SMTP support is a blocker for some workflows, though docs suggest SMTP is planned.

Pricing and Comparisons

• Advertised pricing: ~$0.35 per 1,000 outbound emails, unlimited inbound, plus daily limits tied to account standing, and only available on Workers Paid.
• Compared to AWS SES (~$0.10 per 1,000), Cloudflare is ~3x more expensive, but cheaper than many SaaS senders (SendGrid, Postmark, Resend).
• Some appreciate the pay-per-use model versus fixed monthly tiers; others note SES’s attachment pricing can narrow the gap.
• Several say they’d gladly switch from current providers (especially SendGrid/Resend) if deliverability and tooling are good.

Spam, Abuse, and Reputation Concerns

• Strong fear this becomes “just another spam source,” especially for AI/agent-generated cold outreach and “spin up warm-up inboxes.”
• Some note you can’t practically block “all of Cloudflare,” which is seen as part of the appeal for senders and a problem for recipients.
• Cloudflare’s historic anti-abuse posture is criticized (referencing Spamhaus stats and piracy/La Liga blocking episodes), raising doubts they’ll police email abuse aggressively.
• Others argue that to maintain deliverability Cloudflare must and will fight spam, with reserved IPs and monitoring, similar to SES.
• Email professionals highlight that at scale most effort is abuse mitigation; opinions differ on how “rocket science” deliverability really is.

Impact on Ecosystem and Startups

• Several see this as bad news for small “agent email” startups with thin moats; Cloudflare can absorb the feature as a cheap platform primitive.
• Broader reflections on email as a “tragedy of the commons”: near-zero-cost sending invites abuse, pushing power to big inbox providers.
• Ideas like proof-of-work, payments/tips, and better reputation systems are discussed but seen as hard to deploy in practice.

Reception and Use Cases

• Enthusiasts want an alternative to SES’s opaque approval process and to “enshittified” transactional providers.
• Some experiment with email as an interface to LLM agents (e.g., threaded workflows, bookkeeping, incident triage) and are excited.
• Others reject agents-in-email outright, see this as contributing to a “dead internet” of bots emailing bots, and vow to aggressively block such mail.

What Thunderbolt Is Aiming To Be

• Described as an open-source, self-hostable “AI client” / chat frontend for multiple LLM providers, aimed primarily at organizations.
• Promoted features: multi‑model support, integrations, RAG over company data, cross‑platform clients, and self‑hosting “on your own infrastructure.”

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Firefox vs. “Distractions”

• Many commenters argue Mozilla (or its umbrella org) should focus on Firefox and browser/standards stewardship, seeing Thunderbolt as yet another side project nobody asked for.
• Others counter that:
  • Thunderbolt is developed by MZLA Technologies (Thunderbird team), not the Firefox team.
  • Mozilla needs new revenue streams to reduce dependence on Google search money.
• Some still say money is fungible and any Mozilla‑funded AI product can indirectly divert resources from Firefox.

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Funding, Donations, and Grants

• Thunderbird is described as “revenue positive” via donations; some readers question this given frequent donation prompts.
• Multiple comments clarify Thunderbolt is funded by a Mozilla grant, not Thunderbird donations, though skeptics note that grant money likely originates from Firefox/Google revenue.

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Trust, Privacy, and Governance

• Supporters see Mozilla as more privacy‑respecting and less likely to enshittify or sell user data than typical AI vendors.
• Critics point to Mozilla’s heavy financial dependence on Google, past controversies, and regional practices (e.g., a China‑specific browser behavior) as reasons for caution.
• Some question how much privacy benefit remains when clients talk to third‑party LLM APIs.

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Self‑Hosting and Technical Reality

• Announcement language (“open-source and self-hostable”, “all major platforms”) is called out as overstated:
  • Docs admit Thunderbolt is “under active development,” not production‑ready, and currently not fully offline‑first.
  • No release binaries were initially available; users must build from source/Docker.
• Architecture diagrams show inference via external APIs; marketing claims such as “your data never leaves your control” are seen as ambiguous, though one suggestion is that APIs could point to locally hosted models.

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Naming and Branding Confusion

• Heavy criticism of “Thunderbolt” as:
  • Confusable with Mozilla Thunderbird.
  • Colliding with the existing hardware interface name “Thunderbolt” and lightning‑bolt iconography.
• Several commenters report genuine initial confusion about whether this was the email client or hardware‑related.

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Crowded AI Client Space and Perceived Value

• Many see Thunderbolt as “just another AI chat frontend” in an already saturated market with tools like OpenWebUI and Gemini Enterprise.
• Some ask what is uniquely valuable; answers center on:
  • Enterprise‑oriented control over integrations and data.
  • A more trusted, open‑source option under the Mozilla umbrella.
• Others remain unconvinced, viewing it as FOMO‑driven and unlikely to gain significant adoption.