A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

Original Article ↗ Hacker News Discussion ↗

Scope of DMA and Apple’s Implementation

  • Many see Apple’s EU “alternative app store” model as minimal, hostile compliance: apps must still be signed and notarized by Apple, and system-level rules (background execution, security, task scheduling) remain unchanged.
  • Some argue this preserves Apple’s effective gatekeeper role; there is no true side‑loading yet, since even third‑party stores need Apple’s approval.
  • Others note notarization on macOS has been relatively permissive and could, in theory, be lighter‑weight than full App Store review, but fear Apple could quietly align the rules.

Monopoly, Dominance, and Regulation

  • Dispute over whether Apple’s iPhone business is a “monopoly” vs “dominant position”; EU standards for dominance (~40% share) are mentioned.
  • One side: users can “vote with their wallet” by buying Android; Apple’s control is a voluntary trade‑off.
  • Other side: practical dependence on smartphones and iOS’s size make regulation appropriate; Apple has a monopoly over iOS app distribution even if not over all phones.

Freedom “To” vs Freedom “From”

  • Recurrent framing: Apple’s freedom to control its platform vs users’ freedom from lock‑in and abusive practices.
  • EU action is seen by some as increasing consumer freedom at the expense of corporate freedom; others view it as paternalistic overreach that undermines market choice.

Security, Side‑Loading, and Non‑Expert Users

  • Pro‑Apple camp: locked‑down iOS protects less technical users (parents, “grandmas”) from malware and scams; open platforms are portrayed as “security shitholes.”
  • Opponents counter that:
    • Open computing has enabled huge innovation despite risks.
    • Android’s sideloading hasn’t led to mainstream apps abandoning Play Store.
    • Social engineering and phishing remain risks regardless of platform lockdown.

Developer and Power‑User Frustrations

  • Complaints about:
    • Short-lived self‑signed apps (one‑week limit) and dependence on paid developer accounts.
    • Needing special entitlements (e.g., VPNs) and opaque, inconsistent review.
    • Workarounds like AltStore/SideStore and “fake” features (e.g., adding maps) to satisfy background‑execution rules.
  • Some hope DMA leads eventually to F‑Droid‑style stores and direct installs (e.g., from GitHub); others doubt this until EU pushes much harder.

Broader US vs Europe Freedom Debate

  • Thread broadens into comparing “freedom” across regions: guns vs public drinking, worker protections, corporate power, and democracy indices.
  • Consensus: freedom is multi‑dimensional and involves trade‑offs; no clear winner, but many participants feel Europe currently offers more meaningful day‑to‑day freedoms.