US prosecutors recommend Justice Department criminally charge Boeing

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Background: 2021 Deal & Alleged Breach

  • Thread centers on Boeing allegedly breaching a 2021 deferred prosecution agreement (DPA) over 737 MAX fraud.
  • Some see the $2.5B settlement + no prosecution as effectively a “bribe” to avoid criminal liability; others say it is a standard fine/settlement mechanism, not personal enrichment.
  • One commenter notes key missing detail: what exactly Boeing failed to do under the DPA (compliance overhaul, reporting, honesty) is still unclear.

Criminal Liability: Company vs Individuals

  • Strong sentiment that prosecuting only the corporation is inadequate; many want specific executives and managers charged.
  • Debate on how far down to go: C‑suite only, or also engineers, test pilots, line workers who signed off on unsafe work.
  • Counterpoint: workers were often under pressure and retaliated against for raising safety concerns.

Nature of the Crime: Fraud vs Manslaughter/Murder

  • Legal framing is fraud against the FAA, not homicide. Several argue murder charges are unrealistic but manslaughter or corporate manslaughter (as in UK law) would be conceptually appropriate.
  • Others argue the deliberate profit‑driven concealment of safety issues is morally close to murder.

Regulation, Capture & Systemic Issues

  • Widespread view that FAA and DOJ have been too lenient, enabling repeated safety failures (MAX crashes, door plug blowout, counterfeit titanium, missing parts).
  • Seen as a symptom of regulatory capture and a broader erosion of “rules-based order,” where breaking rules is normalized and lightly punished.

Remedies Proposed

  • Ideas include:
    • Massive fines “into bankruptcy,” charter revocation, or a corporate “death penalty.”
    • Temporary or partial nationalization, forced board/CEO purge, or court‑appointed overseers.
    • Breaking up Boeing or at least separating military and commercial units.
  • Others argue expropriation would clash with U.S. constitutional protections and is politically unrealistic.

Markets, Shareholders & Incentives

  • Many blame shareholder‑value focus and executive stock-based pay for safety shortcuts.
  • Debate over whether punishing shareholders (through large fines or expropriation) meaningfully disciplines management, given principal–agent problems and passive index investing.

International Comparisons & Safety Concerns

  • China is cited as harsher on corporate malfeasance (including executions and long sentences) and as the first regulator to ground the MAX.
  • Some fear further crashes could severely damage public trust in air travel; a few say they already avoid Boeing flights.