The most official water costs $120k a gallon
Ultra‑precise “official” water used as an international calibration standard can cost over $120,000 per gallon, not because the liquid is rare, but because its isotopic composition is exhaustively characterized for scientific instruments. Commenters compare it to other high-priced reference materials from NIST—like certified peanut butter, cigarettes, and even meat—highlighting how metrology underpins everything from industrial quality control to climate and biomedical research. The thread also branches into how temperature and measurement scales (Kelvin, Celsius, Fahrenheit, metric vs. imperial) are defined and standardized, and why those choices matter for both science and everyday life.
Reference materials & calibration
- Many comments broaden the discussion from “official water” to certified reference materials (SRMs) in general.
- Examples: NIST peanut butter, standard cigarettes, “standard issue meat,” and even “domestic sludge.”
- Core point: you’re paying for the precisely characterized composition and documentation, not for purity or intrinsic value.
- These standards are used to calibrate instruments (e.g., coatings hardness via certified pencils, industrial processes, isotope measurements).
- Some note that almost every large-scale process depends on such references; others find it “frightening” as a hidden single point of failure, pushed back on as simply NIST doing its core mission.
NIST products & surprising costs
- Discussion of NIST cigarettes: effective per-cigarette price compared to high-tax regions (California, New York, UK, Australia).
- Observation that their cost isn’t wildly higher than retail in high-tax markets, given they’re manufactured to a specific QC standard.
- Jokes about luxury restaurants or “calibrated foods” using NIST meat or water.
Water standards & isotopes
- Main use of standard water (VSMOW) is calibrating ultra-precise isotope-ratio instruments; absolute isotope ratios are hard to measure from first principles.
- Suggestion to use pure ¹H₂¹⁶O is questioned: separation of isotopes (especially oxygen-18) is expensive, and calibrating far from natural ratios is risky.
- Clarification that a newer VSMOW2 standard exists, designed to match the original within measurement error; both it and predecessor NBS-1 are (per comments) commercially available.
Heavy water, deuterium, tritium
- Prices cited: deuterium water in the low thousands of dollars per US gallon; tritium water orders of magnitude higher (~tens of millions).
- Heavy water production methods and centrifugation are briefly mentioned; note that enormous volumes of ordinary water are needed.
- Heavy water is described as only “slightly toxic” unless consumed exclusively for weeks; one remark that it tastes sweet.
- Some joke about luxury bottled water with D₂O/T₂O and note deuterium’s use in drugs to alter half-lives.
Temperature scales debate
- Long tangent on Celsius vs Kelvin vs Fahrenheit triggered by water-based definitions.
- Points in favor of Kelvin: invariant triple-point reference, modern definition via Boltzmann constant.
- Counterpoints: Kelvin gives “illogical” large numbers for daily life; people prefer ranges like 0–100 for weather or comfort.
- Arguments for Fahrenheit: 0–100°F roughly spans “really cold” to “really hot” in some climates and offers finer granularity (1°F steps) for HVAC and comfort.
- Counterarguments: this is climate- and culture-specific, not universal; Celsius is equally intuitive once learned, and decimals give any needed granularity.
- Several note that “best” scale is largely what one grew up with; perceptions of comfort and numeric intuition are conditioned, not absolute.
Metric vs imperial / US customary
- Side discussion: US units are formally defined via metric (e.g., 1 inch = 2.54 cm).
- Historical note on gauge blocks making 25.4 mm the practical inch and easing metric/imperial interoperability.
- Lathe threading issues: cutting metric threads on imperial lathes requires specific gear ratios (e.g., 50/127), seen as a practical hassle.
- Jokes about mixed-unit systems (tires sized with inches, millimeters, and ratios) and about obscure units (hogsheads, cubic furlongs).
Tone, humor, and misc
- Many humorous asides: “Very Standard Mean Ocean Water,” ISO tea standards, cookies from lab materials, “calibrated fried spam dinner,” and luxury-marketing jokes.
- A brief, serious intervention urges someone (referenced elsewhere) to stop making online death threats and seek help, citing long-term consequences and providing a crisis hotline link.
- Overall tone: amused fascination with how mundane things (water, peanut butter, cigarettes) become extremely expensive when turned into standards, mixed with genuine technical interest in metrology and isotope science.