Mourning Google

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Once seen as a utopian engineering haven, Google is now widely viewed as just another bloated, ad‑driven corporation, prompting veterans and users alike to mourn the loss of its early culture and product focus. Commenters trace the shift to factors like ad revenue dominance, a “PM takeover,” risk‑averse management, acquisitions and technical debt, and broader late‑capitalist incentives that reward short‑term growth over long‑term quality. Many still rely on Google’s services but describe search degradation, privacy concerns, and employee demoralization as signs of a slow institutional decline that may open space for smaller, more focused competitors.

Perceived Decline of Google

  • Many see Google’s trajectory as a familiar arc: idealistic, engineering‑driven startup → ad‑optimized, risk‑averse megacorp.
  • Disagreement on how much is nostalgia vs. real change; some argue aging colors perceptions, others insist concrete shifts (reorgs, layoffs, product cancellations, ad load) are objective.
  • Several ex‑employees describe early Google as exciting and empowered; by mid‑2010s it felt like “IBM with better food” or “showing up to the party at 3am.”

Search Quality, Ads, and SEO

  • Widely shared sense that web search has degraded: more ads above the fold, weaker use of search operators, SEO spam, poor handling of semi‑walled gardens (Pinterest, Reddit, Quora).
  • Some see decline as the result of incremental A/B tests optimizing revenue and click metrics, not user experience.
  • Others note growing web scale and spam make the problem harder, but point to smaller engines (Kagi, Marginalia) as proof better quality is still possible.

Management, Culture, and “Psychopaths”

  • Frequent complaints about promotion‑driven politics, stacked management layers, and leaders who treat engineers as disposable “cost centers.”
  • Strong claim that founders empowered aggressive “business” types early on; others push back, saying that’s oversimplified or just how large orgs evolve.
  • The word “psychopath” is used loosely; some object that it’s become a catch‑all insult for unpleasant or financially motivated managers.

Engineers vs. Product / Business

  • One camp: early “engineering first” culture produced Gmail, Maps, Chrome, infrastructure innovations, and should have been preserved.
  • Another: the engineer‑led model stalled; too many pet projects, weak product sense, and lack of sustainable new businesses forced a shift to PM‑ and KPI‑driven decision‑making.
  • Many complain that engineers no longer have real product influence unless they climb into management; passion is replaced by “rest‑and‑vest” and résumé padding.

Capitalism, “Late Capitalism,” and Structural Critiques

  • Some commenters embrace “late‑stage capitalism” to explain enshittification: monopoly power, shareholder pressure, financialization, regulatory capture.
  • Others deride the term as vague meme‑speak that obscures more specific causes like bad leadership, incentive design, and ad‑only business models.
  • Broad agreement that ad dominance distorts priorities; non‑ad projects either feed the ad machine, are shut down, or remain perpetually second‑class.

AI, LLMs, and Strategic Pressure

  • Several see LLM‑based search/assistants as both superior for many queries (especially where the user can validate answers) and a massive cost shock.
  • One popular theory: Microsoft can tolerate making Bing more expensive with LLMs to force Google to do likewise, attacking Google’s high‑margin core.
  • Many expect “AI search” itself to be enshitified by ads and product tying once the models are entrenched.

Alternatives and De‑Googling

  • Common strategy: keep a “Google browser” profile for Maps/Gmail/Docs, use Firefox/Safari/containers for everything else.
  • People struggle to fully leave due to network effects (family/work on Gmail, Docs), product quality (Maps, Photos, YouTube, Android), and missing data (OSM lacking hours/reviews).
  • Some argue that recent layoffs and cultural decay are good for the ecosystem: talent locked inside Google will disperse to smaller firms.

Comparisons to Other Eras and Institutions

  • Repeated analogies to IBM, Kodak, Xerox, SGI, Bell Labs, Xerox PARC: brilliant research and infrastructure, weak productization, and eventual sclerosis.
  • Debate whether big tech are “dinosaurs”: some say huge incumbents only die with asteroid‑scale shocks; others think we’re already watching a slow shareholder‑level decline.