F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Status of the F‑15E and Other Aircraft

  • Initial confusion: CENTCOM publicly denied a shoot‑down while OSINT images and Iranian media showed F‑15E wreckage and at least one ejection seat. Later reporting confirms one crew member rescued, one missing.
  • Commenters note this continues a pattern: earlier F‑35 damage incident, “friendly fire” loss of three F‑15s near Kuwait, drones downed, and AWACS/tankers destroyed on the ground. Many distrust official briefings.
  • An A‑10 also crashed near the Strait of Hormuz the same day; cause (enemy fire vs accident) is reported as unclear. Rumors of a rescue Black Hawk downed are unconfirmed.

Air War, Air Defenses, and Tactics

  • Debate on how significant one F‑15E loss is after thousands of sorties. Some see it as inevitable attrition; others argue it’s worrying given weeks of US claims to have “suppressed” Iranian air defenses.
  • Many stress Iran’s doctrine: mobile SAMs, MANPADS, truck‑mounted IR‑guided missiles, and use of caves and mountains, making “total” suppression impossible.
  • Comparisons to Desert Storm and Yugoslavia: air defenses and SAMs are more capable now; stealth and stand‑off munitions help, but not perfectly.
  • Discussion of CSAR (combat search and rescue): pararescue forces, SERE training, and the extreme risk of sending C‑130s and helicopters into contested airspace.

Legality and War Crimes Debates

  • Intense argument over POW vs “hostage” language if US aviators are captured.
  • Hegseth’s “no quarter, no mercy” remarks are widely cited as an explicit promise to commit war crimes; commenters note this is illegal under US and international law.
  • Both sides are accused of war crimes: Iran for cluster munitions and civilian targeting; US/Israel for striking schools, hospitals, water and power infrastructure, and “double/triple‑tap” strikes on rescuers.
  • Some argue Iran has little incentive to respect Geneva norms given prior US conduct and lack of enforcement; others insist “two wrongs don’t make a right.”

Strategic Objectives and Politics

  • Split views on casus belli: some see preventing an Iranian nuke and stopping proxy attacks as legitimate; others call this an unprovoked war of aggression akin to Iraq.
  • Multiple “victory conditions” are identified:
    • Iran: survive the air campaign and keep Hormuz constrained to impose global economic pain.
    • US: ambiguous and shifting rhetoric from regime change to “we’ve already won.”
    • Israel and Gulf states: degrade Iran’s regional power; some want Iran effectively broken.
  • Concerns that the war is strategically unwinnable without a huge ground campaign, risks closing Hormuz long‑term, and accelerates erosion of US credibility, NATO cohesion, and the post‑1945 order.

Information Warfare and Trust

  • Widespread recognition of “fog of war” and propaganda from all sides.
  • Many say Iranian claims often exaggerate, but also observe US officials repeatedly downplaying or denying losses until forced by imagery leaks.
  • Result: commenters lean heavily on OSINT, satellite photos, and cross‑checking multiple media sources rather than trusting any government narrative.