Zelensky says Russia has widened attacks to hit Ukraine's data centres

Russia’s expanded use of long‑range drones and ballistic missiles to hit Ukrainian data centers and energy infrastructure is framed as part of a broader strategy to grind down Ukraine’s defenses and economy without needing new territorial gains. Commenters examine how both sides use drones to strike deep targets, the limits imposed by production capacity and air defenses, and whether data centers are meaningful military objectives compared with logistics and power grids. The exchange widens into questions about Western aid sustainability, nuclear deterrence, and the long‑term risks of a protracted, attritional war for Europe, Russia, and Ukraine alike.

Current military situation and attacks on Kyiv

  • Commenters stress that drone and missile strikes on Kyiv have been routine for years and are not evidence of Russian ground advances; ground lines are largely static with only incremental changes.
  • Kyiv is not seen as under threat of ground assault, but under sustained air and missile pressure.

Drone and missile capabilities vs. defenses

  • Russian drones now include jet‑powered, long‑range (hundreds to ~1000 km) systems, often launched in large numbers; only a few typically reach cities, but do so frequently.
  • Ballistic missiles are described as particularly destructive because Ukraine lacks sufficient Patriot PAC‑3 and other anti‑ballistic systems.
  • Some blame past US political decisions for Ukraine’s current air‑defense gaps.

Targeting data centers and infrastructure

  • Russia is reported to be widening strikes to Ukrainian data centers; some argue these are dual‑use and legitimate military targets, others frame such attacks as terrorism.
  • Debate over whether Ukraine should retaliate against Russian data centers: some advocate it; others argue planners likely prioritize more critical logistics and energy targets.
  • Historical analogy (Battle of Britain) is used to warn against tit‑for‑tat that shifts focus away from militarily decisive targets.

War duration, escalation, and mobilization

  • Disagreement on Russia’s remaining capacity to “escalate”: some say both sides are near their conventional limits; others point to potential full mobilization and missile production growth.
  • Several note Russian logistics problems (even starving front‑line troops) and limited ability to equip mass conscription.
  • Long‑term Western support is debated: some say Europe cannot sustain large aid forever; others argue $100B/year is small relative to NATO budgets and strategically worthwhile.

Nuclear deterrence and European security

  • One strain argues Putin cannot or will not end the war and may be willing to use nukes; therefore Europe should build its own broad nuclear arsenal.
  • Others counter that offensive nuclear use would be suicidal under MAD and that “everyone gets nukes” is dangerous and unrealistic; timelines for new nuclear powers are disputed.

Drone production, logistics, and attack pacing

  • Question: why not hit “everything at once”?
    • Answers: limited production of long‑range drones/missiles, high interception rates, and the need to stockpile for large swarms.
    • Coordinated deep strikes are complex; many missions serve to probe defenses and degrade air defense over time.
  • Conflicting views on Russian supply: some say US strikes on Iranian Shahed facilities degraded capacity; others claim Russia is now self‑sufficient and has improved designs, with China supplying key components indirectly.

Civilian targeting, genocide claims, and narratives

  • Multiple comments assert Russia systematically targets civilian infrastructure (power, dams, schools, housing, cultural sites) and kidnaps children, characterizing the campaign as genocidal.
  • Others ask for careful sourcing on extreme claims and note that both sides wage information warfare.
  • There is concern about pro‑Russian astroturfing and manipulation in online discussions.

Strategic value of the war for third parties

  • Some argue Western support effectively lets Ukraine “wear down” Russian power and test modern drone/EW warfare without NATO casualties.
  • Others criticize this as using Ukraine as a proxy battlefield and prolonging its destruction, even if they still support aid.

Future of data center infrastructure

  • A side thread speculates that wartime targeting may push critical data centers underground for protection.
  • “Data centers in space” are largely dismissed as fantasy: launch, cooling, and radiation make them costly, though some note power‑generation advantages in orbit.