Maersk and Hapag-Lloyd to avoid Red Sea after surge in missile and drone attacks

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Major shipping lines like Maersk and Hapag-Lloyd are rerouting away from the Red Sea after a series of Houthi missile and drone attacks, raising concerns about the vulnerability of global trade chokepoints such as the Suez Canal. Commenters debate whether this amounts to an effective naval blockade, how easily relatively low-cost asymmetric threats can disrupt commerce, and why regional powers like Saudi Arabia and Egypt have been reluctant to intervene. The situation is framed as a test of U.S.-led security guarantees and broader Western resolve, with some seeing it as another crack in the current global order and others arguing the response will ultimately reinforce existing hegemonic structures.

Nature of the Red Sea Threat

  • Several commenters frame the Houthi actions as closer to a naval blockade than piracy, aimed at choking supply lines.
  • The helicopter boarding and seizure video is seen as highly effective propaganda: dramatic, seemingly well-executed, and bloodless.
  • Even with relatively few and partly failed missile/drone attacks, the threat has been enough to significantly disrupt global trade as major carriers reroute.

Targeting, Risk, and Industry Response

  • Houthis have publicly claimed to target ships linked to Israel, but commenters note:
    • Intelligence appears imperfect; at least one non‑Israeli‑linked vessel was reportedly hit.
    • “Mistakes happen,” so even theoretically safe traffic faces unacceptable risk.
  • Some compare the situation to earlier Somali piracy, arguing that coordinated naval action could similarly “clean it up,” while others stress the political and military differences.

Regional Politics: Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran

  • Questions arise why Egyptian and Saudi navies are not more visibly intervening:
    • Saudi Arabia is trying to wind down its Yemen war and repair ties with Iran; intervening against Houthis could invite retaliation on oil infrastructure and damage its standing in the Islamic world.
    • Egypt’s leadership may face domestic pressure over appearing too aligned with Israel; inaction is seen as a politically safer middle ground.
    • Both navies reportedly have limited high‑end air/missile defense capacity and questionable readiness.
  • Houthis are seen as cleverly tying their actions to the Gaza conflict, raising the political cost for Muslim-majority states to oppose them openly.
  • Iran is described as using proxies (like Houthis) to project power and test the limits of US influence without direct confrontation.

US Navy, War Games, and Vulnerability

  • Debate over whether US carrier groups would easily secure the area or face serious risk:
    • Critics argue that confined waters and modern saturation threats (missiles, drones, sea drones) erode large-ship survivability and that US naval mishaps show fallibility.
    • Others respond that US ships have already intercepted many Houthi missiles, are far more capable and better maintained than, e.g., Russia’s Moskva, and operate in groups with layered defenses.
  • Millennium Challenge 2002 is discussed:
    • One camp cites it as evidence US doctrine can be badly surprised.
    • Others emphasize that major exercises are primarily to validate concepts and train forces; once “red” made its point, scripting was used to continue training and extract additional lessons (e.g., improved small‑boat defense).
  • Historical cases (like pre‑WWII Pearl Harbor exercises) are invoked to argue that militaries sometimes ignore inconvenient lessons and that complacency can be fatal.

US Hegemony and Global Order

  • Some see the Suez/Red Sea disruption as a test of US hegemony, analogized to Britain’s Suez moment; others find Iran an implausible primary challenger.
  • A more nuanced view is that US dominance is likelier to erode through self‑abstention or political dysfunction than outright defeat, though allied military power remains substantial.
  • There is sharp disagreement over the US‑led order:
    • Critics highlight US Middle East interventions, refugee flows to Europe, and US tech dominance as harms inflicted on allies.
    • Defenders argue many allies handicapped their own tech sectors and that, despite US abuses, the current order correlates with historically low conflict death rates; alternatives might be worse.
  • NATO’s reluctance to shoot down Russian drones over Romania is cited as evidence of Western timidity, contrasted with Turkey’s past willingness to shoot down a Russian jet.

Economic and “End of the World Order” Rhetoric

  • Some participants warn against overhyping disruption: shipping pauses are described as temporary, and prior scare stories (e.g., predicted permanent grain price spikes after the Ukraine invasion) did not fully materialize, though others note there were real, if temporary, price surges affecting poorer countries.
  • A planned multinational mission (“Operation Prosperity Guardian”) to counter Houthi threats is mentioned as another sign of a gradually fragmenting global security environment alongside other ongoing conflicts.
  • There is meta‑commentary on a perceived public appetite for apocalyptic narratives (pandemics, inflation, war), with some finding it disturbing how eagerly people extrapolate crises into “end of the world order” scenarios.