New York’s attorney general says SiriusXM’s cancellation process is illegal

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New York’s attorney general is suing SiriusXM over what the state calls an illegal, high-friction cancellation process that forces customers to fight through scripted retention calls and chat obstacles to stop recurring charges. Commenters connect this to a wider pattern of “dark patterns” in subscription services—ranging from newspapers and gyms to telecoms—where companies make it easy to sign up but hard to quit, sometimes pushing users toward chargebacks, virtual cards, or legal complaints. Many argue for stricter rules like California’s “easy cancel” law or FTC action to require that ending a subscription be no more burdensome than starting one.

SiriusXM cancellation experience

  • Many describe SiriusXM’s cancellation as highly frictional: long phone or chat scripts, repeated attempts to upsell, and even fake-sounding “technical issues” blocking cancellation until pushed.
  • Some users report success by firmly repeating a short cancellation sentence or threatening complaints / screenshots, but note it’s “egregious” this is required.
  • A minority say their cancellations were straightforward, suggesting experience may vary by context (e.g., multiple active vehicles, special circumstances).

Workarounds and payment tools

  • Widespread use of virtual credit cards, low monthly limits, and burner emails to:
    • Prevent unauthorized price hikes after promos.
    • Auto-fail overcharges and avoid re-engaging with support.
  • Services like Privacy.com, bank-issued virtual card numbers, and prepaid cards are frequently cited.
  • Several warn these are not foolproof:
    • Merchants can “force post” charges that bypass some virtual-card limits.
    • For gyms and some subscriptions, nonpayment can lead to collections, not just a quiet cancellation.

Broader pattern across industries

  • Many see SiriusXM as part of a larger pattern of “dark pattern” cancellations:
    • Newspapers, streaming, Ooma, ISPs (cable vs fiber), and especially gyms (LA Fitness, Planet Fitness, 24 Hour Fitness).
  • Gym cancellations are singled out as particularly abusive: in-person-only, manager-only, certified-letter requirements, and checking-account-only billing.

Legal and regulatory angles

  • Commenters reference:
    • A California law requiring online cancellation if you can sign up online.
    • FTC’s proposed “click-to-cancel” rules and complaint portal.
  • Some recount taking companies or debt collectors to small claims court and winning; others warn contracts still apply even if payment is blocked.
  • Debate over SiriusXM’s GDPR exposure; consensus that at least some group products are under CCPA.

Value of SiriusXM and alternatives

  • Critics question why SiriusXM exists in the era of smartphones, CarPlay, and streaming, citing mediocre audio and spammy marketing.
  • Supporters value:
    • Human-curated music and talk.
    • Coverage in remote areas and for certain content (sports, financial TV audio).
    • Deep discounts obtained via the “threaten to cancel” dance—though many say the hassle ultimately drives them away.

Customer service and ethics

  • Several highlight the emotional toll on frontline reps forced to run retention scripts, and on customers who learn that being loud or threatening is the only way to get fair treatment.
  • Some advocate legal rules: cancellation must be at least as easy as sign-up, time-wasting should be compensable, or post–cancel-request charges should incur punitive refunds.