Boeing Starliner's first crewed mission scrubbed
Headline and cause of scrub
- Several commenters argue the article title is technically correct but framed to ride current anti-Boeing sentiment.
- Others say it’s not misleading: the mission is “Boeing Starliner’s first crewed mission,” and it was scrubbed.
- Key clarification: the abort was due to a faulty valve on the Atlas V’s Centaur upper stage, not Starliner itself. Some note the stricter rules for crewed flights triggered the scrub.
Boeing Starliner program and criticisms
- Many see Starliner as late, expensive, and underperforming relative to its $4.2B fixed‑price contract vs. SpaceX’s $2.6B.
- Boeing’s broader quality and culture issues (commercial aircraft problems, cost‑plus mindset) are repeatedly cited.
- Choice of Atlas V is criticized because the vehicle is end‑of‑life and tied to Russian RD‑180 engines, limiting long‑term usefulness and redundancy.
- Some expect Starliner to transition to Vulcan or possibly Falcon 9, but see major paperwork and certification hurdles; future demand is questioned.
SpaceX comparison and industry culture
- Discussion centers on why SpaceX delivered crewed capability faster and cheaper:
- Leaner culture, rapid iteration, in‑house manufacturing, and willingness to “break things” in testing.
- Boeing and other “old space” contractors seen as ossified, bureaucracy‑heavy, and optimized for cost‑plus contracts, not fixed‑price.
- SpaceX’s earlier cargo Dragon work is noted as a head start.
- Some mention SpaceX attracting top talent from legacy aerospace; ITAR limits foreign hiring but applies industry‑wide.
- Discussion centers on why SpaceX delivered crewed capability faster and cheaper:
Redundancy, policy, and risk
- Several argue paying extra for a second crew system is rational policy: avoids single‑vendor dependency and preserves ISS access if Falcon 9/Dragon are grounded after an accident.
- Others counter that Starliner/Atlas adds little “practical redundancy” due to delays, limited Atlas V inventory, and weak performance vs. Dragon.
Launch scrubs and technical complexity
- Multiple comments stress scrubs are common in rocketry; a single scrub is not program‑defining.
- However, non‑weather scrubs, especially for rocket valves, are treated as more serious and less routine.
- Valves are described as a known “nightmare” class of component; this incident is framed as a ULA, not Boeing, problem.